Posted on Nov 2, 2014
Dose the National Guard need to update promotion process?
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should there be boards like active duty?
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They just do alter the Promotion system in the Guard. The points are a bit harder to track now. But there is a Board. The Board is for your packet and not you. As it would be difficult to have a board for every promotable soldier in the state. Your packet decides your fate.
What really needs to happen is that your company commander needs to vet who is considered to make the list. If they do their job they can stop a lot of soldiers who are not ready from getting promoted. But the issue is that they just give a nod a lot. I can say that I have seen some in my state that did the right thing but then I see some NCOs out there that I wonder how they are still there. If the system is messed up for soldiers not following the system a new system won't fix that. There has to be accountability and adherence to the current program.
What really needs to happen is that your company commander needs to vet who is considered to make the list. If they do their job they can stop a lot of soldiers who are not ready from getting promoted. But the issue is that they just give a nod a lot. I can say that I have seen some in my state that did the right thing but then I see some NCOs out there that I wonder how they are still there. If the system is messed up for soldiers not following the system a new system won't fix that. There has to be accountability and adherence to the current program.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
Sir.. the AF, AF Reserve and Air Guard use a Weighted Promotion Systen like You just mention. Maybe a bit different in set-up.. For ours the packet is evalled also.. They’re doing some over-haul work on the E-6 TSGT and up through E-9 and I think dropping the fill in the the a,b,C, or d for them..
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I’m AF and I’m out now for a while.. I think the services like Army Reserve and Guard could use a weighted promotion system and a promotion review board. How they do that they’d have to work it out. Maybe AF Reserve and Air Guard could help develop a weighted promotion system
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S K T (Specialty Knowledge test) -PFE; Promotion Fitness Exam ..
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Sounfs like they have changed some things. I was a SSG from 77 to 86. No one would quit or die. I had done 9 years active in the Marine Corps and 3 in the reserves before transferring to the Guard.
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Something needs to be done in the National Guard. Our MSG boards are crazy one year you could be 5th in the state the following year 35th then 4th the next year. The board votes on what they are going to give points for. It is like every year rolling the dice every year when we look at the list.
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CPT (Join to see)
There is a board process outlined in NGR 600-200. But it is the packet that is prepared that is reviewed by a board and not the soldier. Commissioned officer have a federal recognition but that really isn't a board as it is a nod of approval.
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SSG (Join to see)
1LT Rosa is correct. There is a board, it just is not the same as active duty. You don't go in person to answer questions but your packet does go before a board. A panel of individuals chosen across the state get together to award points to you based off all the different promotion criteria including your EER or NCOER. If you are E-6 above they will also look at your DA Photo.
The panel chosen is from different areas of your state in an attempt to prevent the good ol boy system from working. I can't speak for other states but largely mine has done a good job of weeding out individuals who shouldn't be promoted. However, that is not just a state level problem. That starts with the first line rater giving an individual a good NCOER when they don't deserve one.
The panel chosen is from different areas of your state in an attempt to prevent the good ol boy system from working. I can't speak for other states but largely mine has done a good job of weeding out individuals who shouldn't be promoted. However, that is not just a state level problem. That starts with the first line rater giving an individual a good NCOER when they don't deserve one.
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SGM (Join to see)
LTC Wasserman, et al...we used to be "boarded" for a lot of things for company grade and below in all components and they were all done in person. Other "boards" were convened at field grade/senior NCO levels (including AGR) with initial administrative screening, followed by individual review of qualifications specific to the type of board.
Federal Recognition was indeed a required NG process because FR involves command of troops, including regular forces upon mobilization, which caused UCMJ issues during WWII and Korea. FR required certain types of military training common to the Regular Army. Before ROPMA and DOPMA were passed, the standards were not universal. Through the late 70s officers still had permanent and temporary ranks that could also be in different components, such as mine. I knew one fellow who was RA enlisted, USAR officer, and NG Warrant. All were federally recognized. I've known generals who were not federally recognized (some were elected or appointed state AGs).
Federal Recognition was indeed a required NG process because FR involves command of troops, including regular forces upon mobilization, which caused UCMJ issues during WWII and Korea. FR required certain types of military training common to the Regular Army. Before ROPMA and DOPMA were passed, the standards were not universal. Through the late 70s officers still had permanent and temporary ranks that could also be in different components, such as mine. I knew one fellow who was RA enlisted, USAR officer, and NG Warrant. All were federally recognized. I've known generals who were not federally recognized (some were elected or appointed state AGs).
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Yes, all federally-recognized positions should be competitive according to the same military standard. Trouble is, some state AGs are elected or appointed...
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SGM (Join to see)
LTC Wasserman, most govs do appoint, yet today: In 48 states, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the United States Virgin Islands, the adjutant general is appointed by the Governor. The exceptions are Vermont, where the adjutant general is appointed by the legislature, South Carolina, where they are elected by the voters, and the District of Columbia, where a commanding general is appointed by the President of the United States of America. Not long ago (80s) in some states such as New Jersey, they were also elected officials. Puerto Rico has done both ; AGs in US territories were originally appointed by President.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_adjutant_general
State adjutant general - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Each state in the United States has a senior military officer – the state adjutant general – who is de facto commander of a state's military forces, including the National Guard, the naval militia, and any state defense forces. This officer is known as TAG (The Adjutant General), and is subordinated to the chief executive.
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COL Randall C.
Actually, SC may finally be at the end of the 'only state that elects it's AG' period. The change required a ballot amendment because it was written into the state's constitution that the AG was an elected official (which gave rise to some interesting situations over the years). Looks like it passed last night so their current AG (who was just reelected - ran unopposed) will be the last elected one. Starting in 2018 the AG will be appointed.
Additionally, regarding the qualifications of an appointed AG - they vary from state to state. For example, Pennsylvania requires you to have served at least 10 years as a commissioned officer (any branch/component) while Kentucky requires 10 years commissioned service, but all in the KYNG and be at least an LTC. Specific requirements are in the State's statutes/codes.
Additionally, regarding the qualifications of an appointed AG - they vary from state to state. For example, Pennsylvania requires you to have served at least 10 years as a commissioned officer (any branch/component) while Kentucky requires 10 years commissioned service, but all in the KYNG and be at least an LTC. Specific requirements are in the State's statutes/codes.
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SGM (Join to see)
LTC Cudworth, great. I was never a fan of electing military leaders as was the practice through the civil war. Nor appointments up to Maj General, which is still on the books. Lt. Gen and Gen + are also appointments/advancements not "promotions" per se.
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COL Randall C.
SGM (Join to see), absolutely agree and I wish there was some standardization on requirements across the board as well. I think the minimum qualifications should be something along the lines of what Kentucky requires (above).
Regarding the appointment up to MG ... the state can do anything they want within that state ... doesn't mean that the AG will get FedRec for it (which is why 'back in the day' you had some AGs with two uniforms ... one for wear within the state and one for wear outside the state (Federally recognized rank).
Regarding the appointment up to MG ... the state can do anything they want within that state ... doesn't mean that the AG will get FedRec for it (which is why 'back in the day' you had some AGs with two uniforms ... one for wear within the state and one for wear outside the state (Federally recognized rank).
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i would have to say i am all for some type of board or oversight of promotions other than just a point list and a eval from your own people. i have seen quite a few soldiers that didnt know their job or basic military customs and knowledge that should have been instilled in initial entry training. i myself would be happy to go to a board and help those that want prepare as well.
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