Drill Attendance while on Title 10 ADOS, do I still have to Drill?

Unless you were involuntarily mobilized (I doubt it), then your State is required to provide a release letter from your Adjutant General in order to go on T10 ADOS orders. This release letter must be in place before you can be placed on voluntary T10 ADOS orders. A release letter is just that - an acknowledgement and agreement that the State (Governor and/or TAG, depending on the laws of the State/Territory/District involved) is releasing you from your obligation to the Governor and/or TAG.

Having said that, you need to aware that your State (PA) can involuntarily recall you from your T10 orders to come back to the State. I have seen this just a few times in my 32 years with the National Guard (primarily for unit involuntary mobilizations supporting federal missions). Your orders (you should read them) should state ". . .with the consent of the Governor and Adjutant General of Pennsylvania you are hereby ordered . . ."

There are also some expectations associated with remaining in "contact" with your unit while you are on T10 orders (since they supported your desire for a T10 tour). This can be a slippery slope. I have seen differing opinions from lawyers regarding the legality of paying TDY for the purpose of attending drills with a unit in a "State" status (under Governor control). If you get injured while on the road or at drill, there may be some tough questions for the leadership of the organization you are on T10 orders to support, as well as your PANG unit leadership that allowed you to drill knowing you were not in a State status.

I know MG Joseph (your TAG) very well. Want me to give him a call?

they can't make you go to drill but that had to approve you going on ADSW, they can also cancel your ADSW orders. If your not doing your job at drill someone else is. Not being there is a hardship on the unit, I would have an open conversation with your Commander.

SPC (Join to see) I cant speak on the Title 10 aspect of it since I am Title 32 ADOS as a PTAE, but there is an understanding that unless my parent unit and the unit I am working for had different drill dates that my ADOS position takes precedence. I have only been able to drill once with my parent unit this year and there hasn't been any issues to date. I can only hope that your command can cross talk and get it sorted out for you. If they cant make sure you take the advise of CPL Doug Hill and contact your AG/IG for assistance. Good luck to you in sorting this issue out!

They cannot require you to. However, it is in your best interest to remain active with your unit. You wouldn't want to burn your bridges with them because they approve you to remain on ADOS. You will also keep up with your collective and mandatory trainings.

Anytime I was ADOS, I maintained an active drilling status. I understand it requires you to work more but nothing comes free or cheap.

As my company has come to realize, For God and Country. Though I never let their efforts go unrecognized or unappreciated.

http://www.ut.ngb.army.mil/hro/ADOS%20Page/PPOM_12-043_%28HRH%29_Guidance_for_Army_National_Guard_Members_Performing_ADOS-RC_Duty_under_the_Authority_of_USC_Title_10_Section_12301_%28d%29.pdf

This clarifies it. A bit.

This is a very interesting posting as I see many who believe they have to drill while on active duty. I'm curious why anyone would think this is normal or required. While commendable if the person doesn't want to take away from there home unit I would be interested to see the legal requirement to do so.

You should not have to . However, i pulled 18 mos at NGB and my commander made me come back on my own dime, it cost me money.... But, remember, your commander is also releasing you to go., your earning down your retirement age, building retirement points and earning post 9-11 gi bill percentage. If they make you drill, do it with grace.

I have been on Title 10 mobilized, title 32 ADOS and now Title 32 AGR
You really need to start with your packet see what you agreed to, use your NCO chain of support, make sure you include your Readiness NCO
He/she may have a solution you are not seeing if that doesn't work talk to your 1SG
Use the IG as a last resort a majority of times your chain of command just isn't seeing the big picture .

I have dealt with this situation with my own personal career and with Soldiers in my care

Hope this helps

I know this is a pretty contentious topic in general. I can't remember if I saw it or if I just think I saw it, but I thought that there was some stipulation that is pre-agreed upon between both units were a Solder can/will drill if the drill dates fall on dates where the Soldier is not actively working and not just the potential to be called into work. Additionally, a unit Commander does not have to sign off on the form to continue a Soldiers ability to be on ADOS if they choose not to when the renewal time comes around.

We have had this situation come up in the past where we have a Soldier who is on ADOS orders and works locally to where drill/IDT occurs and can/is expected to come in and blows it off because they say they are on ADOS and can be called in at any time and chooses not to come in and support the unit. I believe the Soldier had agreed to still drill with the unit and it was a stipulation of him going on ADOS and I believe there was a signed memo to confirm this. When his renewal time came up he started coming around more and I believe his ADOS orders were extended under the same assumption that the Soldier would drill with his unit when possible. I can also see by your post that you knew that your unit would still require you to drill with them if they let you go on ADOS, so that's something you were aware of before you went on ADOS and something you should have anticipated having to deal with. ADOS like many other assignments are not required by commands to sign of on they are usually reserved for the best and brightest Soldiers, and this is not to say you are not one of those Soldiers. What I'm trying to say is that these assignments are the exception, not the norm. It also sounds like your new unit does not want you to attend drills anymore and if that is the case you should let the two CDRs sort this out among themselves.

Bottom line if a Soldier is on ADOS I can assume I won't see them for the duration for their orders, but it does create a burden because that paragraph and line number is being occupied by a ghost. I can see your specific heartache because of the distance you travel and in your circumstance an IST may be in your favor. I always tell Soldiers to drill close to home. I appreciate their allegiance to the unit and good Soldiers are always hard to come by, but I would rather eliminate any future negative scenarios and have them drill closer to home instead of flying out for one weekend which could become costly and burdensome. My loss is another units gain, but at least my UMR will be better served by me being able to fill it with a Soldier who can be present for duty.

Did you volunteer for the T10 tour? If yes. Part of allowing you to go onT10 orders may have been that caveat. You are still on your units books for accountability. Also for all your paperwork ie: EPPS packet, DD93/SGLI updates etc.

I have helped numerous Soldiers put their T10 packets together(had 1 Soldier on T10 orders for 5 years). All of them were still required to attend drill with their unit. Training still needs to get done etc.

How are you trying to do a IST while on orders? Again that doesn't sound right.

Bottom line on this. The T10 orders you are on are temporary orders. They eventually will end. Your Commander has the approval/disapproval of you being on these orders.