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Posted on Sep 16, 2018
SFC Jason Evans
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A question for those who were in the military:
During your transition from Soldier to Civilian, what were the biggest differences between your expectations and reality? Or did everything go down exactly how you expected?

One thing that varied from my expectations: I expected everyone at my civilian job to act like adults. I figured those who didn't adult would be let go. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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The civilian world makes fun of our dedication to mission because a lot of them don't want to do the job!
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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They don’t know what dedication is. They tend to be so selfish that they don’t understand putting something else first before themselves.
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
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To me civilians are just weird. They walk around aimlessly all the time and they have no situational awareness at all.
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SFC Dennis A.
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They (some) get confused and suspicious when it's not your job but you offer to help. You get the deer in the headlight look and then they normally ask "what's in it for you" and when you reply "nothing, just thought I'd give you a hand". I get the impression they think I'm trying to cheat them out of something or throw them under the bus. No concept of teamwork.
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SFC Jason Evans I had a good plan in place and everything worked according to plan. Two observations: In college, I expected folks to be there that wanted to obtain a degree. Instead, I found many folks that were there to have fun and party. I was also working full time, and was strictly focused on my degree plan. I was discharged in 1972, so I also encountered folks that did not like the military and veterans. Also, as you observed, I encountered many co-workers that did not have my work ethic which was unsettling.
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LCDR Civil Engineer Corps (i.e. Seabee) Officer
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By the time I was a junior in engineering school, most of the partiers had flunked out, so I didn't have to deal with that so much. However, when I was sent to get my MBA while still on active duty I made the same mistake you did and presumed everyone would care about a degree they paid $50,000 and 2 years of their life for. It was very strange to me that the military people who were getting a free ride were generally far more dedicated than the civilians.
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
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I have to agree with you Sir. I see the same at my college that I am attending. The students are always late and the teachers dont seem to care. I just want to go all drill sergeant on them but I cant
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I was going to be an internet bazillionaire. Didn't happen - 30% unrealistic expectations, 20% didn't try hard enough, and 50% loss of focus when distracted by life events. Number 1 lesson learned: Take your GI Bill and go get a degree immediately! Immediately. Also, immediately. I agree with anyone who complains about college degrees being overrated by corporate America - however, if you want to get good jobs without having to fight tooth-and-nail for them, then get a college degree.

Also, I was frustrated during my service with some of the small, inconsequential-but-irritating things that came down from high above in the Army - everything from obsessions with earplug cases and reflective PT belts to ideas that just didn't make sense. I had the impression that since the civilian world was so wealthy (this was the 90s), apparently so happy, and moving along rapidly (again, the 90s), that they just HAD to be smarter than we were.

They're not.

Be prepared to mutter to yourself, "You've got to f---- kidding me," from time to time. I expected everything to be well-oiled, high-speed low-drag, with common sense ruling the day and everybody just getting rich. That's not reality. But you can earn a good living.

Also, anyone coming off active duty is probably used to dealing with folks who understand simple things like how to brief people, how to supervise or manage a collective action of some sort, and the necessity of someone being ultimately responsible for getting something done. The civilian corporate world is peopled by folks who have never, ever, ever come in contact with anything like troop leading procedures or brief-backs or in-depth discussions of leadership. Things are very loose by comparison to the active duty Army. Some companies embrace management fads that seem to distribute responsibility in as ambiguous and ethereal a manner as possible. However, this varies by company and industry (and I've seen it change slightly inside a company over time).

The most important thing I could have done would have been to have gotten a degree immediately upon leaving the regular Army. Now, you can get one online. I got mine through UMUC. A Soldier could start on that while they're still on active duty, though I think the Army should set up a special program that accommodates the chaotic schedules of some units. A degree in an industry-relevant, in-demand field (read STEM, by the way), is critically important.
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Jenn Moynihan
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SGT (Join to see) - ah yes...the management fads of companies. Often exactly that - a passing fad to be soon replaced by another. That and the tag line that goes with the fad. I’ve been through many in different fields. Health care; transportation consulting; retirement/financial planning; to name a few.

Great post and one that I will save.
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During your transition from Soldier to Civilian, what were the biggest differences between your expectations and reality?
SFC Jerry Humphries
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Being expected to pay my dues’ by those who never paid theirs.
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SFC Jason Evans
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Do you think that’s specific to the industry you’re in?
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SFC Jerry Humphries
SFC Jerry Humphries
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Not so much in this one I am in now (Water Treatment) how ever my 1st choice semiconductor manufacturing people were very cold to me. I was originally work as an
Production operator and made the mistake of letting other know I had a degree and intended to get a better position. And I let them know I told them when and were I paid for mine while they never served. They did not like it ,
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
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SFC Evans, you like working for GDIT?
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SGT Writer
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1. Being qualified for the job and/or being able to have a competent discussion with someone in that position about expected tasks doesn't matter more than an internal reference.
2. It's not what you know that matters as much as how you've applied it to an organization.
3. Respect is rare.
Let me know if you'd like more.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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The biggest difference I noticed was going from OPTEMPO to Manana Time. Even with a Navy civilian organization, I had to recalibrate my expectation level. Then I had to switch back and forth doing the reserve ADSWs and recalls. Best I can describe it is the difference between a healthy jog and a steady walk. Second thing was the MIL leadership didn't quite know how to handle me as I was senior to everyone MIL rank wise. So I just did the job and the front office benefited from my insights keeping the pulse on the CIV side of the house. Worked well. First names behind closed doors, formal outside. Never compromised a private discussion. The GS-14/15 levels were pretty much comparable to the MIL rank anyways.
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LTC Stephan Porter
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I’ll let you know in about eight months!
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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It went as expected. It was actually easier than expected. As the Army had higher standards than the civilian job that I moved into.
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
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My biggest issue when I was in the civilian world was, in my experience, was the total lack of integrity, honor or honesty. The vast majority of civilians I worked with (in a corporate environment) would screw you in heartbeat if it would make them look better. I could not get back on active duty fast enough. I have run across a handful in the military that were like this, but it is the exception in military rather than the rule as it is in the civilian world.
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CH (1LT) Command and Unit Chaplain
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Sir, you just described perfectly why I decide to return to the Army. I originally planned on transitioning to the VA equivalent of my MOS, but I decided not to pursue that path after the lack of integrity and competency in general that I witnessed. I learned through that experience that a person could fail every measurable performance review, openly lie to their supervisors, be admitted to the in-house psychiatric facility, and my supervisors at that time still would not fire them. Meanwhile, those same supervisors found a way to cheat the system so that they were able to accumulate credit for clinical hours that were carried out by those underneath them - so they received bonuses and other benefits for doing a fraction of the work. Once my training finished, I could not start the paperwork to transfer out of IRR to Active Army fast enough.
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
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Interesting LTC. This is how I envisioned the corporate world myself. In a way I kind of think that is why civilian bosses don't want to hire Vets because they know we as former military have no problem calling them on their bullcrap. just my two cents.
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COL(P) Base Operations Manager/G4
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED) - I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday, she was in the AF for 6 years. Currently, she works for Amazon, she despises it there because of the lake of integrity and professionalism of management. Employees will steal stuff, people would literally get in fist fights and management will not fire them. It is absurd.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
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So I wouldn't get disappointed thru my transition, I didn't really set my sights too high...of course, that alone led to disappointment. I try not to look back and compare. At my current job, I work hard, no matter who's looking.
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