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MSG Dan Castaneda
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In SF this is easy to do. E-7 in 7 years.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
MSG Dan Castaneda
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We have recently seen E-8 in 10 years, E-9 in 15 years of service. Some of the guys are legit and great leaders, some not so much. I guess its on the individual.
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MAJ Consultant
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Not a fair comparison! SF is SF, no need to add to that.
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SFC Jerry Alexander
SFC Jerry Alexander
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SP6 Bruce Kellar
SP6 Bruce Kellar
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Anyone who has the desire to excel at his given station will succeed, with greater effort than his counterpart.
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CW4 Angel C.
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I think so for at least 90% of the cases. Back in the early 90s it took me a little under 6 years to make E5 (too long) in BRAGG, where a lot others were in the same boat. However, once I PCS'd to Germany I ran into several fast trackers making E5 in 2 to 3 years. First impression: this is nuts. They don't know sh*t and don't have the experience. I ran laps around these guys. So after a while I reevaluated them but I still thought the same. I respected them tho and soon enough I went to the E5 board and got promoted. But as E5 I was outdoing those E5'a and other E6's so I got sent to the E6 board and not long after got E6 and E7 back in the states. Some said E7 in 11 years was too fast (in general) but I was mentally ready and was very cool under stress and made good decisions so I did great. I think your maturity (both personal and professional) and experiences gained is what matters most.
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LCDR Retired
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That's the way things were early in my career (took 4 years to make E-5 & had to reenlist to sew on the stripes). As the Vietnam War grew, promotions opened, particularly in certain fields.
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SGT Joe Angle
SGT Joe Angle
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E7 in 11 back in 90s was avg to above avg as a 19K. 3-4 maybe 5 to make E5, 7-9for E6. If you was Sgt Morales or Audie Murphy you could make E7 in 8-10 but 11 -14 was good too
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CW2 Property Accounting Technician
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I agree and even in the early 2000 in combat arms 5-6 years to make E5 was fast tracking. In my experience
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SGT David T.
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It all depends really on the individual. A great leader is a great leader regardless of experience level. Some folks are great right out of the box. Most of us have to work harder to get there.
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SP6 Bruce Kellar
SP6 Bruce Kellar
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A disgruntled leader will counter the efforts of constituents. That would depict our current education system and their product.
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MAJ Consultant
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A categorical and rotund YES! I know people say "It depends on the person" and things like that. I could apply that to myself - not that I had get promoted that fast, quite the opposite - but when I joined the Army I was a very mature young person. I could have got promoted to E-5, E-6, and I was the responsible Christian guy, church goer, husband, blah, blah, you get the picture. I saw lots of people with the right schools, experience, and even personality become crappy leaders. I figured the "secret ingredient": Time. To be a "seasoned" service member you have to have time. It is the thing that give empathy for the newly married Soldier, or makes you give a 2nd chance to that screw up private or even NCO. According to the Nieves Psychological Research Institute - read "my personal opinion" - when we are young we have less tolerance than when we are older. We also rely more on thinking processes combined with experience and seasoned with instinct than by-the-book reflexes or "this is how I get things done" primal instincts, for those who act on impulse or feelings.
It took me 11 years to make E-5, six more to make E-6, but the moment I became an NCO, Soldiers were instantly attracted to me as they saw me, I believe, as some sort of "elder" or father figure.
In short, "seasoning" or "aging" process is vital to the [good] quality of any leader, in my opinion.
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SGM Charles Twardzicki
SGM Charles Twardzicki
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Had a Division Commander (4th) in the mid 70s state he needed young NCO's to lead the young soldiers. 38 year old Squad leaders for the most part can't lead the charge up the hill. I know there are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions. In the mid-70s I had a plethora of seasoned E-6s with lots of singular knowledge, but couldn't pass the MOS test or get off their profile. Does age help make wise decisions, yes, can we wait for that aging?
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SSgt David Tedrow
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I made Sgt in 2 years and SSgt in 5 years in the Marine Corps. I had no problems.
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SSgt David Tedrow
SSgt David Tedrow
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GySgt Gregory Robeson there were a couple meritorious and coming off MSG certainly didn't hurt either. This was also back in the early 80's.
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Cpl Tom Vandiver
Cpl Tom Vandiver
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I enlisted in USMC 12/1955, promoted to Sgt. E4 in 12/1957 at age 19. Did as I was told, smiled, tried hard. I have that promotion document posted over my AA, BA, MA & PhD documents. I learned more in three years in the Marine Corps than all the college.
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Cpl Bernard Bates
Cpl Bernard Bates
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Before Vietnam it took 4yrs to make Cpl. I was in from 59-63 and the old rank system was being phased out. their were E-4 Sgts. and E-4 Cpls. If the E-4 sgt didnt make E-5 Sgt before the cutoff date he became an E-4 Cpl. Their was a lot of bitterness because some Marines didn't get promoted stayed in the same paygrade but lost a stripe. Staff Sgts. could become Sgts. During vietnam you could make Sgt. in 3yrs depending on the casualty rate. Some Persons were drafted into the Marine Corp. They were not allowed to reenlist. I suppose now days rank can be made faster Semper Fi.
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SP6 Bruce Kellar
SP6 Bruce Kellar
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Cpl Bernard Bates - I can recall swearing in the room full of newbies. We would have them count off by tens and separate them. One side of the room went Army and the other side went Marines. Both sides of the room were terrified.
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COL Thomas Cagley
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That is a difficult call. Some individuals are able to handle quick climbs up the ladder, others peak out and are not productive. I was one of those (in my enlisted days) that automatically was promoted to E4 on completion of my first year because of the school I was in. Then transferred to a remote assignment where E5 was automatic after 8 months. In the old days, they had what was called "Blood Stripes." (Maybe still do). A colonel or higher commander would keep enlisted ranks E6 and below in the command. If a staff sergeant was reduced in rank, the command would hold a board and select a qualified E5 to receive stripe. I was fortunate in that I was selected and made E6 in less than 3 years. Then the Army changed the rules and you had to have a certain number of TIS to be promoted. I languished at E6 for several years, while individuals promoted to E6 after me were promoted to E7. Solved the problem by getting my commission. Guess the bottom line is, I don't like cookie cutter promotions (so many years in service, promotions come) but sometimes rank can come too fast. A lot of it depends on the maturity of the individual
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CSM Troy McGilvray
CSM Troy McGilvray
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I agree Colonel. Looks like you did quite well after you received your commission!
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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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The Army is very good at not taking care if their assets and promoting them. Since its based on needs of the MOS so much talent is left behind DC. Then seeing no way to move up they leave. People with experience and talent need to be given every opportunity to advance.
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SGM Omer Dalton
SGM Omer Dalton
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Col, I remember those days before centralized promotions became the thing.
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Capt Tom Brown
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Would have to be a real water-walker. Problem would be living up to the expectations and the responsibility placed on an E6. Best leave some time for seasoning.
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GySgt Gregory Robeson
GySgt Gregory Robeson
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Capt - I've read a bunch of these entries. Seems to me the ones that are showing fast promotions come from all the other services but the Marine Corps. I once saw a young gun get his Sgt stripes after just a little over 3 years and I thought that was outstanding. Meritorious all the way. He didn't pick up his first rocker until he hit around 10 if I remember correctly. The speed of promotions is much slower - and E6 in just 3? I never saw it when I served (1982 - 2002).
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SP5 Christopher Brock
SP5 Christopher Brock
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Had a 23 year old E-6 didn’t know anything but each of her Platoon Sergeants loved her and so did the First Sergeant
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SP6 Bruce Kellar
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1SG Raymond Benning
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I think that there is a big difference in leadership experience and technical capabilities. There are some technical MOS's that make it very easy to get promoted to E-7 quickly however, the Combat Arms professions in the Army provide the easiest route. There are just a significant amount of billets to be filled. Personally, I was selected for SFC (E-7) in 9 years and I found myself drinking from a fire hose. It was extremely challenging but not impossible. I hit the books and operated as a sponge daily. Pick a few good mentors who you trust and get other Senior NCO's perspectives on your leadership. Many will be different so try to find that common thread between all of them and implement it. More often than not, I found myself questioning my ability and my decisions early on. Once I got comfortable with myself through experience things got easier. Remember to educate yourself and the experience will come.
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1LT Timothy Kahn
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In the Army, if you have a A.S. In Nursing & licensed in any state. You are automatically promoted to Sgt./E-5!! Yet if you are a BSN, you come in as a 0-1!! It’s screwed up system, because if an ASN, take the same friggen National exam as a BSN!! Thus, many times that the ASN has to orient these new grads!!! They should make ASN’s CWO’s. Or the military is going to lose every ASN who is generally “floor” proficient than the new BSN, not to be forced train them, unless they are Officers!!! I could tell you horribly true things that are swept rug, including the new MD’s, who would not even to the RN’s comments regarding a patient who had a simple surgery, yet 6 days after admission was dead
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SPC Vonnie Jones
SPC Vonnie Jones
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I know what your saying is true, and it's the same in civilian life.
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MSG Warren Neill
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Edited 6 y ago
I went to Vietnam as a Grunt. Upon my return I branch transferred to Finance. I was working in Out-processing with 2nd Armored Division Finance, Ft Hood, TX, when who appears before me, one of the Grunts from my Infantry unit (C 3/21, 196th LIB). I was shocked to see that he had made E-6. He was a draftee and had almost a year's time in grade. Here he was out-processing and leaving the Army. A large part of our unit was KIA or WIA during Tet 68 (I left Dec 67, missed it by less than a month) and he found himself as platoon Sgt. He knew if he stayed in he was going back to RVN. He decided to git while the gittin' was good. I believe he earned it and it wasn't premature at the time.....
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