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Did I mishear Obama when he said the War on Terror was over? And if it is, what are the opinions of you GWOT veterans?
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The military has fortunately stopped using the term "Global War on Terror" several years ago. You can declare and win a war against a specific enemy, but you can't declare and win war on a tactic, which is all terrorism is. It's similar to declaring a "Global War on Ambush" or a "Global War on Urban Combat." It's an unfortunate term which should have never been used in the first place, in my opinion. Identify your enemies and wage war on them, but not on something which has always been here, and will always be here.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/23/obama-global-war-on-terror-is-over
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/23/obama-global-war-on-terror-is-over
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LTC Yinon Weiss
CPT Zachary Brooks - I would say we are not in a state of real war. There isn't one declared by the President, by Congress, or by the military, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
We do not (or cannot) politically define the enemy, and rather we employ contingency operations to react to tactical threats as they emerge. Until you can walk down an American street and ask 10 people who we are at war with, and have the majority give you the same answer, then our nation is not really at war (even if our military finds itself in dangerous situations). The reality is if you asked 10 people who we are at war with, I would bet that 9 would say "what war?"
We do not (or cannot) politically define the enemy, and rather we employ contingency operations to react to tactical threats as they emerge. Until you can walk down an American street and ask 10 people who we are at war with, and have the majority give you the same answer, then our nation is not really at war (even if our military finds itself in dangerous situations). The reality is if you asked 10 people who we are at war with, I would bet that 9 would say "what war?"
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CPT Zachary Brooks
LTC Yinon Weiss - Sir, I agree with you. We have not declared war in an actual sense since WW II. We need to remain in a state of conflict to continue to line the pockets of our defense contractors and keep our supporters voting out of fear. It is a sad environment, but it feels like the military is more and more becoming a political tool (gays, transgenders, etc) instead of an actual national defense device.
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Having been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, neither enemy is the same. Both share qualities that seek to undermine our "Stability Operations", but the only type of War we wage is at home amongst our own people. Whether it be race, religion, or sexual orientation, the media has blown everything out of proportion and is detracting any positive efforts against "Terrorism". Without a cleary defined enemy(i.e. The War on Drugs), fighting an idea will never be successful. There are other posts and questions recently on rallypoint that ask why the United States have not won a true war since WW2. The answer is simple. We have only fought ideas the last 70+ years and ideas are the heart of a nation. Imagine if the tables were turned and somebody actually did invade us against the idea of Democracy. Countless numbers of different militias and gangs would actually unite in a semi-organized manner with some for of hierarchy to combat a comonn enemy. I feel like this may lead in the wrong direction, so I will stop here. Just my opinion...and a small rant for freedom.
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It was putting us in an awkward position to declare war on "terror"-- Terrorism is a strategy that works in support of a belief system, not a belief system unto itself. It was silly posturing and should never have been declared in the first place, since it is something that can never truly be "won". We need to declare war against concrete things: people, organizations, that sort of thing.
I still wear my GWOT but if anything I see it as a reminder that some politics bear a terrible price.
I still wear my GWOT but if anything I see it as a reminder that some politics bear a terrible price.
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The GWOT will never end as terrorism is endless and is all over the world.
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No matter what the President says or implys, we all know that the War on Terror has no immediate end in sight.
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PVT Micah-el Baxter, your Military life is just beginning start by referring to your Commander in Chief as President Obama, next I am a Vietnam Area, Latin America and Afghan veteran, I do not consider myself a GWOT veterans. Also you are the future do not get caught up in the ideological beliefs of others so keep an open mind and respect All Americans.
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PVT (Join to see)
I will be sure to address him as President Obama from now on. Since we are on the subject, do we also refer to former presidents as, for example, "President Bush"?
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CPT Pedro Meza
PVT (Join to see) - You are my future learn and learn and take care that your mind and heart does not get high jacked by the BS here.
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It would be nice to hear, however as long there is unknown that becomes a known, there will be terror. America the beauty will always stand the test of time. Duty Honor Country.
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I remember when former President Bush said all combat mission were over with in Iraq then all hell broke lose.
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I fear this will be the last war "era", as the war on terror in my opinion will never end.
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Obama didn't end the war... Bush did. Obama ended combat operations in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the day he stripped my ability to return for being fired upon, the war was over. You cannot fight a war politically.
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PV2 Matthew Dzemske
Sure you can. You're running with the (obvious) assumption that the US *wants* to win this war, or wants to defeat the terrorists in any case. In the American sense of the word, "terrorism" is when those we've supplies bites than hand that fed it...don't forget that we've directly funded AQ, Iraq, AQM (when we supplied "moderates" in Libya), Boko Harem (an effort to destabilise Africa, as 8 of the 10 fastest growing economies are there, under the patronage of the PRC), Al Nursa Front, &c.
Also, remember that at no point in Iraq was "defeating terrorism" our mission. Our mission was to leave as quickly as politically possible.
Now, in the name of GWOT, look what the government has achieved: the ability to lock away US citizens forever with no trial; even the ability to assassinate them for reasons they won't tell. The US PATRIOT ACT. Increasingly crazy NDAAs. The list goes on. The actions of our government have clearly shown their intentions with this war....
Also, remember that at no point in Iraq was "defeating terrorism" our mission. Our mission was to leave as quickly as politically possible.
Now, in the name of GWOT, look what the government has achieved: the ability to lock away US citizens forever with no trial; even the ability to assassinate them for reasons they won't tell. The US PATRIOT ACT. Increasingly crazy NDAAs. The list goes on. The actions of our government have clearly shown their intentions with this war....
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