Posted on Oct 31, 2018
Madison Holloway
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Yeah, I know, you've all told me that I'm never going to get into any branch of the military with only one kidney. The Army has already disqualified me and now I'm in the middle of trying to enlist in the Air Force. People keep telling me that I have no chance of joining, but I'm making more progress than you've all expected. My recruiter has my medical papers and he knows all about my one kidney. And yet, he didn't turn me down and give me an automatic disqualification. He said I can go take the ASVAB, which I took today and scored a 94 on, and then he said that he'll send my scores down to be looked at so that I can be considered for MEPS.

So....when does this so-called "automatic disqualification" show up, because I ain't seeing it. I took the ASVAB, scored high on it, and now I'm being considered for MEPS. And what happens when my recruiter says I'm in the clear for MEPS? What happens when I pass the physical and MEPS lets me swear in? What happens when they notice that my one kidney doesn't impede me in any way? Chances are you all will still be saying "You're never gonna get in! You're disqualified!"

I honestly just typed this up because I like that I'm proving you guys wrong so far. I've made it farther than any of you have anticipated and I'm just the type of guy who likes to rub things in.
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So... is there an update on this? Did he get in? Or was he kicked out for attitude already? I know when I was trying to get in (circa 1996) the airforce wouldn't take me because of a pending charge on my record. The army recruiter took me in, gave me a chance and got the charges dropped. My hope is that this changes his attitude about things and gives him some humility.
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SGT Keith Lawson
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Congratulations on your ASVAB test and good luck with your future.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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More than likely before you ever get near a MEPS station. There are some conditions incompatible with military service. You are already at risk for issues physically. Under certain training conditions, that level of risk rises to lethal. I've had Marines before during training in places like 29 Palms or South Korea drop like a sack of taters. Heat condition, rigorous training, and insufficient water intake will fell the strongest fit individuals quickly. In your case I would suggest rigorous honesty in your physical state, and submit a request. If the answer is no, there are good reasons for it.
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CMSgt David Adkins
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First of all, Madison, you need to get your attitude in check, especially if you make it into the Air Force. Second, the DoD policy from which all services, to include the USAF, clearly states that "Absence of one kidney, congenital or acquired" is disqualifying for service. Hopefully, your recruiter told you that your acceptance into the Air Force is contingent upon a medical waiver or an ETP request? Plus, having only one kidney means that you will be limited in your deployment availability as you cannot be deployed to a kinetic environment due to the risk of losing your good kidney, due to blast injuries, etc. So, good luck to you in the future. I have over 30 years of medical standards experience in the Air Force and I can tell you that you have a chance...a very slim one, but a chance. But, please get your attitude in check. You do not know more than anyone else and neither does your recruiter.
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MAJ Robert Philpot
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AR 40-501 Chapter 2-15 Urinary System f. Kidney (1) current absence of 1 kidney is a disqualifying condition. Look it up. The AR is available online.
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SGT Quentin Moore
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Go for it hope you make it in and have a long and successful career
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Open a dictionary, look up the word “professionalism “, then get back to us.
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LCpl Teresa Safranske
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You need a serious attitude adjustment young lady. They would have PT'd you in to the ground in Marine Corps boot camp and then your fellow recruits would give you a nice little surprise in the middle of the night because they would have been PT'd with you for having a shit recruit in their platoon, you see their is no individuality in the military they don't care what your asvab score was. So just sit down and shut your mouth. You have no idea what your talking about.
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CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner
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My first assignment as a Chaplain was at Basic Combat Training at Fort Jackson, SC. a good portion of my time went toward interviewing and writing recommendations to the Commander for Soldiers who should not have been in BCT. The recruiter's job is to get as many people "on the bus" as possible. It was MEPS' job to weed out those with disqualifications; however, there were always some who made it through to BCT. Problems arose during BCT, necessitating their discharge.

There are reasons "disqualifyers" are in place, and they are really for your own good, and the greater good of the Military as a whole. I could tell you stories of people who made it through MEPS, only to get put on a bus and sent back home after getting to BCT. Soldiers with conditions like Tourette Syndrome; Screws holding their bottom jaw on; people with major depression; and some who did not pass the ASVAB (a few confessed their Recruiters took the test for them!). Just about everyone of them said, "my recruiter said not to tell," but then when they arrived and began the stress of BCT, their issues came to the surface--a few resulting in death. I could go on, but my point has been made.

Here is something for your consideration, it is a violation of Military UCMJ to fraudulently enlist in the Military, and subject to fines, imprisonment, and less-than-honorable discharge. There were not many Commanders referred for prosecution, but why take the chance? There is a reason when you are sitting in MEPS completing paperwork that your Recruiter will not even be allowed in the room. It's your own neck you put on the line when you sign the documents and swear everything is true.

Say you do make it through MEPS, BCT, AIT, and you are in the Air Force and something happens to your one good kidney? You won't qualify for a Medical Discharge, you will receive a Chapter 13 (a.k.a. a "trainee's discharge,") because it was something that would normally get caught during MEPS, BCT, or AIT. At that point you stand a greater chance of a Court Martial, because you knew better, so you profit nothing.

Now is the time to think like an adult and consider your long-term health, not like a teenager who has to try proving everyone wrong.

When I entered the Army, I was young, fit, and had no medical issues. Now I cannot hardly walk, am in constant pain, and cannot do the things I used to love (working on cars, cooking, hiking, etc.). If I had the chance to go back and do things differently, I'd tell myself to put my health first!

This is my two-cents, you can take or leave it. But one thing for you to consider, say you make it to BCT, proving everyone on RallyPoint wrong, so what? Do you think anyone will be impressed? Not a single person will care. Say you go all the way, and for some reason you get sick and go into kidney failure, and die, do you think anyone here will care or say, "that's the guy who showed all of us!"? Again, not a single person. There are too many of us facing our own problems and situations, to give a rat's ass about some "kid."

So do things for the one it truly matters, yourself.
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LTC James McElreath
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Mr. Holloway,
If you get to MEPS and they put you through the entrance physical without any hiccups you would be golden for entering. But that is where they will disqualified you for sure. The AF would be the hardest to enter as they get enough people they always make mission. I think maybe you shouldn't get your hopes up. It sounds as if the Army recruiter already knew you would be disqualified. The MEPS probably will strip you and check for whatever he sees as abnormal. I really wish you luck and hope it works out.
I would advise you to be on your best behavior at MEPS, most service people do not appreciate rude people trying to get into the military. They have what you are hoping for - enlistment.
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