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Hey there, I'm searching for a little bit of guidance on my flight warrant packet. I took the sift already and will continue my flight physical as soon as I get PRK eye surgery in the summer. Other than my physical I have my packet all together. I'm currently down range and would like to maximize my time here to better my chances for selection. I've been waivered to PFC and expect to get waivered to specialist soon. I have 27 college credits currently and I'm enrolled in civilian classes here already to get some more credits. I'll be attending soldier of the month soon, And I try to stand out overall. Now could anybody offer me any more guidance here to help my packet out? I know that the only thing that matters to the board is what is on paper. So how can I beef up my credentials? Are correspondence courses helpful? How about if I volunteered my Sundays at the airfield and maybe get air time? Any advice is appreciated, thank you.
Posted 10 y ago
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SPC Today, shoot me a message and I will discuss the process and how to make your packet as.competitive as it can be. I would be happy to help
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SSG (Join to see) where are you at in the process. I would be more than happy to help where I can
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PV2 Louis-Philippe Michel of course you can. Whatever you have questions about ask away!
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Hello, are you still available for tips? this would be my second packet so anything will help.
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Whatever you have in your resume, emphasize how it can be applied and relevant to aviation. Safety is a big one. THEE big one tally Safety is a massive element in aviation. Don't take it from this new warrant, take it from the 12 years in aviation I had enlisted before being picked up.
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I'm pfc now, rallypoint won't let me promote myself. either that or I can't find the right spot to do it lol. I expect in March to be getting spc. Every time the board results are posted I take a look to see how many spc and pfc are listed just to keep my hopes up a little bit. As long as I see a few then I don't see why my name can't be one of them. And the "thicker resume" you say is exactly what I'm aware of, sir. That's why I'm asking about extra things I can do that get put on paper to make myself stand out against other pfcs and specialists.
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How do you come across getting a recommendation from a cw4 or cw5? Flying is the only reason I joined. So I want to do everything in my power to make it happen.
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PV2 (Join to see) - Is there an aviation unit where you are at? Perhaps you should start a discussion of your own to make sure more people here can provide you feedback and better answer your question than I can. I was already in aviation, and the CW5 that wrote my letter was someone I had worked with for a few years, so it was easy for me to find someone. If there is an aviation unit where you are stationed, go to it, peek around and plainly ask. Get ballsy. Ask for that interview (respectfully of course). They're putting their name on the line for you, so give them a reason to do so.
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If anyone still checks this thread. I Got a quick question what should be the first thing done of the packet the SIFT or flight physical? Thanks
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Where I was at, the flight surgeon requires you to take and pass the SIFT before beginning the flight physical
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I'm somewhat familiar with the Army's WOFT Program. First and foremost, under no circumstances should you EVER GIVE UP! It took me several tries before I finally got selected by the USAF to attend UPT (flight school). Remember, even for pilot wannabes, almost everything can be waived...almost. Don't get discouraged and be prepared to try many times. I was fortunate to have a supportive unit and I hope that's the case for you, but if it's not, you're going to have to really fight for it. Nothing is going to be handed to you. In my eight years of military service I can say without a doubt that aviators and SF types are weird breeds...they know exactly what they want to do and they'll stop at nothing to get it. If you really want it, you'll find a way to get it.
As to the specifics of your package, you're on the right track. Don't worry so much about volunteering. When I looked at the WOFT program, candidates who stood out had these three things going for them: A 'good' SIFT score (read FAA-H-8023-21A front to back...know the material cold), strong LORs from CW4s or CW5s (Minimum is a CW3 I believe) and a college education with a strong GPA. That degree shows the Army dedication, focus and discipline--things you will absolutely need for being successful in Flight School. While not necessary, if you can manage to scrounge up some money for a few flying lessons--that'd demonstrate genuine interest in aviation and give you something to talk about when interviewing (Assuming you're gunning for a Reserve/NG slot). If you want more information, PM. I know a few Guard pilots who might be willing to talk to you offline about specifics. Lastly, good luck, man! Seriously. If you get selected, let us know.
As to the specifics of your package, you're on the right track. Don't worry so much about volunteering. When I looked at the WOFT program, candidates who stood out had these three things going for them: A 'good' SIFT score (read FAA-H-8023-21A front to back...know the material cold), strong LORs from CW4s or CW5s (Minimum is a CW3 I believe) and a college education with a strong GPA. That degree shows the Army dedication, focus and discipline--things you will absolutely need for being successful in Flight School. While not necessary, if you can manage to scrounge up some money for a few flying lessons--that'd demonstrate genuine interest in aviation and give you something to talk about when interviewing (Assuming you're gunning for a Reserve/NG slot). If you want more information, PM. I know a few Guard pilots who might be willing to talk to you offline about specifics. Lastly, good luck, man! Seriously. If you get selected, let us know.
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I'm actually going for an active duty slot. Thank you for the help and advice! I only have one of college before I enlisted. But currently I'm taking courses in theater to get some extra credits while I can. Hopefully the board will see that as standing out because taking classes as a mechanic isn't very easy.
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You're not likely to get any time in the air volunteering at an airfield. There is nothing you can bring to the mission as a non-rated crew. Your basically just a passenger if they do bring you up, and there's far to much going on to even begin explaining what is going on to a back seater. The best thing you can do is impress some higher ranking pilots and get a good letter of recommendation from them. If you have what it takes (character, aptitude, and personality) they'll likely back you up and give your a LOR. A CW4 that gave me a LOR, said that with the other LOR that I had at the time, that I could be basically retarded and still get picked up. That's how important they are. FYI, LOR should be the LAST step. Pass aftp, sift, physical taken and approved by Rucker, etc, before you even step foot into a hanger looking for someone to give you a LOR. Flight school is A LOT work, they don't want to see some half assed nonsense from people before it has even begun.
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Roger that. I understand everything you're saying. My instructor for my civilian English class is a CW3 who has references to interview me here. Like I said my packet is complete, only thing missing is the physical and the LORs. Do you think the physical holds that much weight to make my packet seem unprofessional if it's not there yet? I'm fit and all, I just need PRK.
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LORs are good for 90 days. Physicals can, and frequently will, take much longer than that to complete and get approved by Rucker. Especially with PRK, you could wait up to a year to get everything wrapped up. Also, what competent professional would sign off on someone who may not meet the basic minimum qualifications? Medical is a huge disqualifier, even after you have begun flight school.
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Oh okay there it is. Thank you sir, I wasn't certain on how long LORs were good for. Okay so the letters are out of the question while I'm here.
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Here is a tip for when you get accepted. I once had a friend who was a 67R, Apache mechanic. He had a ton of extra certifications like airframe, etc. He applied to WOCS and was going to make the transition to aviation warrant. At the time he was accepted, he had just been promoted E-6. So, off he went to WOCS and he knocked it out of the park. Then, he went to the aviation portion of the course. During the initial period, it is mostly classroom work, and he was top of his class. Then came the time to actually get into the cockpit. Long story short, he couldn't make his hands, feet, and eyes do 5 different things, and he washed out. They gave him a choice: he could have either CID warrant, watercraft engineer, or watercraft operator. He didn't want any of these and asked them to make him a maintenance warrant. One of the qualifications was that he have BNCOC (now ALC), which he hadn't had time to attend before getting selected for warrant. He told them to put stripes on him and he would go to BNCOC, but they said no because now he was an officer and couldn't attend enlisted courses. He ended up being separated from the Army for not compromising his desires to remain in the aviation field. He ended up joining the reserves as an E-5 PYOP specialist. Moral of the story: have a contingency plan in case you don't make it through the flight instruction! Good luck!
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I got very lucky in my situation, I am currently working at a hospital and was lucky to come across a CW4 that has been more than helpful. I told him I would love to fly and was interested in starting a packet but I had no idea where to start. He has made me feel more than confident about applying. He asked questions of my education, NCOER's, WLC, boards, sift, and volunteering. Afterwards I was invited to several Warrant Officers Association events getting to meet many other CW4's and some 5's. I have only had one real concern about my packet and it was that my SIFT was low, they still maintain their confidence in any packet that I will put together. I think that confidence and patience from these senior warrants is what inspires me to switch.
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Confidence is huge thing in the warrant officer field. Also knowing when being overconfident will hurt you is important as well. Me being a PFC and having limited things to put on to paper is my only setback. Otherwise I know my packet is correct and well written. I'm just searching for anything I can do to better myself on paper. I'm already in classes, and going to the board will I'm here. One sir mentioned the volunteer medal which I've forgotten about. I've been told that that medal speaks volumes because you have to go out and work for it. Since your profile says SGT I assume you haven't submitted your packet or received any resfults. I wish You the best of luck Sgt O'Connor!
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Corresponding courses won't wouldn't help much, I was a SPC when I started my pocket with minimal corresponding course credits on my ERB.
Instead of volunteering at an airfield try volunteering with your USO, BOSS or MWR. This will help especially if you're able to get Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal.
Setting yourself apart is big, college credits, a clean ERB, make sure you visit S-1 to make your duty assignments uniform and neat, take a DA Photo and make sure all awards match your ERB.
Find out who the brigade standardization officer and who the brigade aviation maintenance officer are and send them a polite email requesting an interview in regards to your flight packet. These individuals would be a CW5. Make sure you let your command know you're intentions with the email.
Instead of volunteering at an airfield try volunteering with your USO, BOSS or MWR. This will help especially if you're able to get Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal.
Setting yourself apart is big, college credits, a clean ERB, make sure you visit S-1 to make your duty assignments uniform and neat, take a DA Photo and make sure all awards match your ERB.
Find out who the brigade standardization officer and who the brigade aviation maintenance officer are and send them a polite email requesting an interview in regards to your flight packet. These individuals would be a CW5. Make sure you let your command know you're intentions with the email.
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I think some MOS's get an upper hand for these boards. You can really accomplish a lot in a short 3-4 year span if you apply yourself. Some units offer Airborne, Air Assault, Sapper, Ranger, EFMB, and deployment slots. I am in a hospital right now, all of those things are rare to come by.
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Double check on how long LOR's are good for on the recruiting page. I don't recall anything about that. Either way, make those connections. Tell them your intention and if they need to they can wait before signing it. My letter came from a guy I deployed with three years before when I was a crewchief/flight engineer. When it came time to do the letter, I hit him up over email, and sent him the fillable pdf with all my information filled out. He sat on it for about a month and a half because he was pinning CW5. I didn't know this, so occasionally I kept reminding him. Eventually he sent it will the surprise of a letter for a CW5 instead of CW4. Point I'm getting at is there's nothing wrong with building rapport and getting interviews and such done and putting off the actual letter or signature until the time comes. I can't think of any warrant I ever worked with who would not take someone who impressed them under their wing and adjust fire as necessary. If they're willing to do a letter, they're willing to work with you. So don't let time constraints and deployment schedules become a barrier brother.
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All great comments here. Thank you guys! And Sir Beauchamp, I also never have seen anything about how long the letters are good for. But you give a good example on how to not let time constraints and such hold me back. I'll definitely continue to make connections with aviators here.
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SPC (Join to see) - 12months if you go on gowarrantnow.com, go to downloads, and download the brief it tells you everything you need to know
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