Posted on Apr 6, 2014
For muscle failure PT days, what are your thoughts on Crossfit, weight training, and calisthenics?
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Many people, especially those who exercise on their own, have different points of view on this matter. Share your insight on the pros and cons, techniques you implement, CRM, and morale.
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I feel that the group PT sessions are not conducive. I remember in the one year of Army ROTC one of our APMS's said to get better at pushups, do more pushups. I don't agree with that. I found that years of just doing the exercises for the PT test gave me ability to do above average, never close to a top score. When I started weight lifting for my own benefit with one gym partner I found the results to be ten fold. A full spectrum weight workout you can work different parts of specific muscles.
I always like to do a push pull workout and alternate which exercises I am doing to build a specific area.
I always like to do a push pull workout and alternate which exercises I am doing to build a specific area.
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To me personally PT really didn't do jack for me. When I started hitting the gym being able to pick heavy things up and drop them I started seeing more of an improvement. I know each persons body works different but when you add that extra weight you learn to move up in weight which would help greater with rucks or work if it requires heavy lifting like mine did.
I strongly think that if you can maintain a certain score on your PT test you should be allowed to do your own PT. I know that units could do this but they choose not to. That's why I loved being on nights a lot of the times cause we would do PT at the gym. Saved me an hr from doing it after work as well I got to work on what I NEEDED to improve on.
I strongly think that if you can maintain a certain score on your PT test you should be allowed to do your own PT. I know that units could do this but they choose not to. That's why I loved being on nights a lot of the times cause we would do PT at the gym. Saved me an hr from doing it after work as well I got to work on what I NEEDED to improve on.
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SPC Daniel Edwards 250ish oh my jebuz instead of kicking back that beer go kick back those weights!!!
You have a FREE gym lol use it!
You have a FREE gym lol use it!
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SPC Daniel Edwards
been using it lately. back in june I got off my lazy butt, stopped watching tv all the time, and started working out 2-3 times a day
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SGT (Join to see)
Good job SPC lazy haha Don't worry I been slacking a little myself. Once I get my personal gym back with a good gym partner i'll be doing twice as much of an effort cause i'll have a spotter!
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All soldiers should weight lift. Just my opinion. I never understood why the army doesn't issue weights at the unit level. You have to be trong to carry all this gear now and be able to pull your buddy to safety or to be able to carry them
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Yeah we had it for the new Soldiers. We had to do everything in the PRT so kettle bell training was once a week if time permitted. We had all the kettle bells we needed too.
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Getting new Tvs for the office is fine but dear jebuz a unit wants work out esp for their Soldiers to train with.
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Train as you fight. Regardless of the modality, gear the exercise routine to make sure the muscle groups being worked are the same as those utilized when executing warfighting duties. And train to find the balance between strength and endurance. If you have a tank crew that can run a marathon like a herd of gazelle, but doesn't have the physical strength to break track and remove a drive sprocket, then there is a problem...
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No argument here. My favorite go-to workout is calisthenics, sprints, and buddy carries while in full gear. All the Soldiers enjoyed it. Biggest problem was many of the Soldiers weren't too knowledgeable on their gear and how to make it comfortable yet efficient. That resulted in me doing a quite a couple classes on the IOTV and Rucksack.
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I never found group PT to work well because each person was stuck having to PT at the same level. Once I started doing my own routine in the gym, I found I was getting better scores. I did weight training, calisthenics, and cardio on my own time. I've never done crossfit, but I've had friend that have and they love it.
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Something that was seriously lacking while I was in was weight training. It is important for muscle growth. Not only that, but there should also be weighted squats/squat variations thrown into the mix.
PT with body weight alone is not enough.
PT with body weight alone is not enough.
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True. There's nothing quite like doing exercises while wearing a IBA or IOTV/Plate Carrier.
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Crossfit is a great way to confuse the hell out of the body. There is no way to do the same boring routine every time. The controversy with the program is that some CrossFit boxes actually do not do the routines correctly. If the Army were to be adopted, they would have to ensure that the instructors are to follow a set of standards to ensure no one would be hurt.
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SPC Daniel Edwards
absolutely SSG Zachary Vrba I would not kill myself for anyone. I would definitely do the exercises at my own pace. SMA Chandler couldn't make me do clean & jerk like those guys at the CrossFit Games do with all that weight they put on it.
That being said, CrossFit only works when it is done like any other workout routine: only doing what one can handle. I can't and will not lift 200lbs over my head but I will put on some weight and do the movements right. That is the only time CrossFit does the job. But it shouldn't be the only reliance for exercising. Maybe doing it once a week.
That being said, CrossFit only works when it is done like any other workout routine: only doing what one can handle. I can't and will not lift 200lbs over my head but I will put on some weight and do the movements right. That is the only time CrossFit does the job. But it shouldn't be the only reliance for exercising. Maybe doing it once a week.
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SPC Daniel Edwards the military telling you do what you can handle…that does not exist does it?!
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SPC Daniel Edwards
Yup especially when you get new Airborne SGTs that think they are the shit but are always falling out of runs or pulling the profile card during a battalion run. These are the same guys that go around yelling at you for struggling at the last few seconds of the pt test but they need help just getting out of their cars.
I had a hernia that I had to get fixed before I joined from lifting things that were to heavy. NOBODY has the ability to make me lift to heavy again bc I will not go thru that again.
I had a hernia that I had to get fixed before I joined from lifting things that were to heavy. NOBODY has the ability to make me lift to heavy again bc I will not go thru that again.
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I haven't commented lately on this subject, but a few days ago I doing some work around the S-3 shop, and one of the things I was doing was putting the updates from FM-7-22 in to the binder that my unit has their print out of TC 3-22 in (There are no real updates, they just put in clearer photos of what the PT card looks like). But FM 7-22 has all kinds of exercise regimens to be followed, including some circuit training involving kettle bell exercises and the foot stool that Crossfit uses. They also have exercises that mimic combat movements. The regs even have workout regimens for when your PT element utilizes the gym. It shows proper form on the machines, which is good, because I've seen too many people try to put on more weight than they lift. I've seen people doing preacher curls but rather than work the biceps, they're just throwing out their back and slowly pushing a disc out of place.
Now I'm not sure about the active component, but another thing that I've seen with units in the Reserves is that they aren't doing the exercises in properly in the first place, then complain that they aren't getting the work out they want. For example: How many of you do Climbing Drill 1 in ACUs? How many perform Climbing Drill 2 in ACUs, IBA/IOTV, ACH and slung Rifle? Also I've seen for profiles to fall out of formation and do their own profile PT. in the regs it shows modified versions of the exercises so that people with limited ability can follow along, including instructions on how they can do the movement drills without violating profile or cause extra pain and/or injury.
Now I'm not sure about the active component, but another thing that I've seen with units in the Reserves is that they aren't doing the exercises in properly in the first place, then complain that they aren't getting the work out they want. For example: How many of you do Climbing Drill 1 in ACUs? How many perform Climbing Drill 2 in ACUs, IBA/IOTV, ACH and slung Rifle? Also I've seen for profiles to fall out of formation and do their own profile PT. in the regs it shows modified versions of the exercises so that people with limited ability can follow along, including instructions on how they can do the movement drills without violating profile or cause extra pain and/or injury.
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Pull-ups are my friend. I love the pull-up. I do NOT like the fact that most Soldiers care little for the pull-up. Therefore, since many Soldiers can barely do 10, I emphasize the pull-up.
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you could offer basic workout techniques to show proper form and offer it to anyone who will seek you out after duty hours. putting in the extra effort yourself will also show your commitment to them and they may be more willing to put in more work for you.
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I don't know about creating an entire MOS around fitness trainer. I know that the Army announced plans to train and dispatch Master Fitness Trainers to every unit. This was announced in June 2014, but I don't know where the progress is.
It's even worse on the part time side. It takes a lot of discipline to get into your own PT program. I ended up paying for a trainer at a local sports club to get me back on track. I don't know if base/post recreation centers offer a similar service, but perhaps they should.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140726/NEWS/307260040/Army-PT-overhaul-Master-fitness-trainers-will-dispatch-all-units
It's even worse on the part time side. It takes a lot of discipline to get into your own PT program. I ended up paying for a trainer at a local sports club to get me back on track. I don't know if base/post recreation centers offer a similar service, but perhaps they should.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140726/NEWS/307260040/Army-PT-overhaul-Master-fitness-trainers-will-dispatch-all-units
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Since last year, I've seen the push for more MFT qualified Leaders. My motivation for going to the gym used to be having everything I needed in my garage and having goals related to personal and official records.
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I think they should create a Training MOS cause a lot of NCO's tell Soldiers what to do or "how to do it" when they don't even know the correct way themselves. When I started working out and hitting the gym with a professional gym trainer/buddy I went back to the unit correcting them on things, I just got laughed at and told to stay in my ranks.
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