Posted on Sep 8, 2014
Fraternization: Playing Poker Officer & Enlisted
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I love to play poker and I find it to be a great social game that can be a lot of fun. I host poker nights at my house about every 4 weeks, and we have a blast. Of course, there are some stakes ($10 a game) just to make it interesting enough to play. Without the money, there really isn't a point in playing poker.
Anyways, I would love it if I could play with some enlisted troops. I have a lot of friends who are enlisted, and the fact that I can't invite them really sucks.
My point is this: Should it be a violation of the fraternization policy if you play poker with mixed Troops, even if those Troops are not above or below you in your unit/chain of command?
I know that you can mix and match the ranks in a money game if it's a tournament that awards prizes instead of cash, while the take goes to a charity. If I were to do that, would I have to request permission from someone beforehand? I can't really find the answers to these questions so I am hoping some NCOs can help me out here.
Also, it's legal to play poker with an officer/enlisted if it's at a public casino. At least, how would anyone know unless you were in uniform... which you can't be in that case anyways.
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Anyways, I would love it if I could play with some enlisted troops. I have a lot of friends who are enlisted, and the fact that I can't invite them really sucks.
My point is this: Should it be a violation of the fraternization policy if you play poker with mixed Troops, even if those Troops are not above or below you in your unit/chain of command?
I know that you can mix and match the ranks in a money game if it's a tournament that awards prizes instead of cash, while the take goes to a charity. If I were to do that, would I have to request permission from someone beforehand? I can't really find the answers to these questions so I am hoping some NCOs can help me out here.
Also, it's legal to play poker with an officer/enlisted if it's at a public casino. At least, how would anyone know unless you were in uniform... which you can't be in that case anyways.
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The policy is there for a reason. Fraternization between Officers and Enlisted could cause problems within the structure of the service. Just my thoughts.
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This policy should remain the same. No change. This is a great thread, thanks for starting it!
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I don't think its wrong when nothing is waged however when I was in the field I heard a senior NCO yell, "Winner, Winner, chicken dinner" so I think he got a free chicken dinner when he won.
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor since you are in Germany I assume that you are active duty. The rules are there to protect you as well as the enlisted SM's. I know that if you were to meet at a casino then yes by all means play poker together. If you wanted to invite enlisted to your poker games then have them somewhere other then your house. Again this is to protect all parties involved.
I have seen way to many officers and higher rank NCO's lose their career due to something happening or accused of happening. It is just not worth your career. If you have a poker night at the MWR building, Or somewhere else you take that chance and bring it from a H to an L on or CRM. LOL
Keep your career your number one priority.
I have seen way to many officers and higher rank NCO's lose their career due to something happening or accused of happening. It is just not worth your career. If you have a poker night at the MWR building, Or somewhere else you take that chance and bring it from a H to an L on or CRM. LOL
Keep your career your number one priority.
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I'm pretty sure the fraternization portion of the UCMJ specifically addresses gambling as one of the things you can't do. Should this be the case? Debatable. But until and unless it changes, I would not get involved in something like that with your troops.
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Should the Post CSM be able to Play around a Golf with the Post commander and Talk Shop
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Keep it the same, if you start to break through those barriers the floodgates will soon come crashing down. Your friends understand, and likely would not want you to risk your career over a small bit of fun.
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