Gay Rights and the Church. How far do gay rights go?

MAJ William Guglielmi Yes and do you know who is forcing whom? It sure isn't the church forcing anyone on most matters but we had a Texas try to regulate the sermons in a church, even after President Obama's pals did the same thing in their congregrations.....

SSgt Olson, we are in complete agreement. No government official should ever to force a church (or clergyman) to comply with any local law regarding marriage as was tried by that mayor in Texas. What I meant by churches forcing their views was simply the following--churches, as entities, suing to overturn civil marriages where the voters had approved them.

SSG Marc Wagner , the history is much more documented than that, but it is more credible than many other sources, since most other sites are more opinion based and don't cite any previous texts but here is another one that lists sources to books on the topic.

There is also this page which is reviewing a book on the topic that I didn't originally include since it did only referenced the book in question.

Then there is this one which attempts to refute another book that says that the Catholic church tolerated homosexuality in Premodern European History, although the writer of that one is using more subjective arguments against the conclusions of Tom Boswell.

So SSG Marc Wagner feel free to look at those links and decide for yourself if the idea that older civilizations were more tolerant than modern cultures is plausible, or if you feel that this was also scholars making wild leaps to come up with revisions of history to justify their personal beliefs.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_002br_SameSex.htm

SSgt Alexander Ingram, I'm not here to make this a theological debate on what is moral and what isn't. I'm just showing that history is quite a bit different than we picture it, and that the Roman Catholic Church had a more liberal history in its past.