Posted on Dec 31, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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Thoughts about 'generic' comments in NCOERs/OERs?

I don't think I'm authorized 'pet-peeves' yet because I'm not a Sergeant Major (that's a joke), but nothing screams, "I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY CAREER" more than an NCO looking toward the senior NCO ranks with 'generic' NCOER bullets.

Have you really not done enough in one or more of your evaluated areas to give SPECIFIC/QUANTIFIABLE comments about your or your rated NCO's performance?  Or do not know how to put this into writing?

Or, bare with me, you're too lazy to care about you or your rated NCO's career to be specific about the previous year's accomplishments.

Note:  I understand and can understand that there may be a 90-day+ change of rater evaluation that incorporates generic bullets.
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SSG Robert Burns
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Edited 12 y ago
I'd rather just have 2 bullets than 3 with one of them being generic.  I've also done some things that just can't be fully articulated in one sentence.  I don't like the 2 line limitation.  I understand the need for brevity for board members but some things need to be explained or they will have no idea what you are talking about.
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MSG Master Leader Course Facilitator
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I agree, the OER is nice because it allows for more narrative about officers performance. Maybe we should have a type of rating?
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CSM Mike Maynard
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and we'll see some of those "narrative" sections coming out in the updated NCOER.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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MSG (Join to see) - The OLD NCOER was like that. The Rater and Senior Rater had a paragraph to give observations about the rated NCO. It was So much better, but you all know that someplace in the puzzle palace a Good Idea Fairy had it changed to what it is now. Yay US!
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Edited 12 y ago

I review almost every NCOER that comes through the battalion.  Unfortunately for the rated NCOs, I see A LOT of very bland NCOERs.  I also see a lot of inflated Senior Rater numbers too.  Remember that a 1/1 is for those rare "Super Soldiers" who excel at EVERYTHING they do and seem to do more awesome stuff than there are hours in the day.  A 2/2 means the NCO is above average, but not Super Trooper.  A 3/3 means the NCO came in to work, did his/her job, and went home.  Nothing exceptional, but nothing negative either.  4/4 and 5/5 are, well, you know-- bad.


Honorable mention to one NCOER I reviewed-- apparently the Rater had nothing when it came to bullet comments, so (if memory serves) one of the bullets was, "... did not have any law enforcement violations on or off duty."  I guess that might be valid, as the NCO is an MP.


My pet peeves with NCOERs:
o Spell Check!  There is a Spell Check button right on the electronic form

o Using parts of the Soldiers Creed or Creed of the NCO as bullets (Really?  That's all you have?)

o Giving an NCO a 2/2 when you noted he got a DUI

o Everyone is a 1/1

o Writing everything you can think of in Block IIId

o Waiting until 7-14 days AFTER the THRU Date to submit the NCOER


However, my biggest complaint is cut & pasted NCOERs.  You know, when all your rated NCOs have the exact same bullet comments, right down to the same typos and grammatical errors.  It is even worse when these come in at the same time; it's really obvious when I read the same NCOER three times, with just the Part I info changed.


I suggest (as does AR and DA Pam 623-3) that you use the NCOER Counseling Support Form (DA Form 2166-8-1).  This way you are fulfilling your obligation as a Rater to counsel your NCO quarterly AND you will have a ready-made NCOER when the THRU Date gets close.  You won't have to scramble at the last minute.

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CMC Robert Young
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It's universal....raters who are too lazy, or not creative enough to write solid justifications for their subordinates. It drives me crazy to see an entire duty section get the same marks on their EERs with the same accompanying bullets.....12 people here who all did exactly the same thing in exactly the same manner at exactly the same time.


I hear that 'pet peeves' will soon be authorized for lower pay grades as part of a new feel good military ;-)

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SSG Artillery Mechanic
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Raters who are too lazy??? Are you kidding me??? It is not our job to be creative and to write a solid NCOER. It is YOUR eval not ours......if YOU were too lazy to not write down the shit you did then it is your fault that your eval sucks!!!!
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CMC Robert Young
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First, Staff Sergeant, I'd try some decaf. Not sure that the exclamation points, multiple question marks and language are particularly necessary or beneficial to the merits of the discussion. I might also point out as a leader, it is our responsibility/job to mentor those in our charge and care which includes guiding their efforts in the evaluation process by helping them target those things which impact the final document. For our junior members, that means we as leaders are likely to be more involved than with somebody with time in service.

Secondly, I have never, nor will I ever advance the idea that the person being rated shouldn't drive the process with a solid contribution by submitting appropriate supporting documentation which supports their evaluation (as a matter of fact, I require all of my subordinates to write a draft eval w/ supporting evidence of their performance for my review prior to the deadline for submission which allows me to opportunity to craft a fair & accurate assessment). My underlying point was that it's unfair to the individual member for a leader to simply cut and paste the same bullets into a myriad of EERs. Each individual should be evaluated on the merits of their own efforts. Not subjected to a lazy rater who just goes through the motions and avoids developing a thoughtful and accurate assessment of the person being rated.

My point was not to avoid our responsibilities as leaders, but dedicate the appropriate level of effort required to do a good job. Not simply wander through the process haphazardly.
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1SG Joe Messier
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SSG Uecker, please tell me that is sarcasm.
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'Generic' Comments on NCOER/OER? Why?
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The substandard NCOERs I have seen are almost always due to two reasons. One, no legitimate quarterly counseling done during the rating period resulting in a mad rush to complete a suspense someone else established. Two, lack of knowledge in NCOER, counseling, and/or writing. 

Some units have there own pet peeves but I have become alarmed lately at the lack of writing abilities combined with poor planning. For some it is easy to write this important responsibility off and utilize a search engine to do the work for them. Experienced leaders catch them pretty quick, they have seen them before. My fix, every time one of my Soldier's has CQ/SDNCO I look at their counseling packet for the past 90 days. If its a NCO in charge of Soldiers, then I look at his packet and all of his Soldiers packets. It has proven to be useful to me in evaluating methods and offering candid feedback. Leaders and Soldiers take things more serious when you periodically check the small things.
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SMSgt Superintendent, Igq
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This trend is not confined to soldering. Airmen are just as likely to put weak EPRs forward. Feed back is the single most effective tool to enhance individual performance. Documentation of feed back is crucial for sustained performance. When you take the time to consistently provide formal feed back you will be rewarded with outstanding performance, trust, and often times genuine loyalty.

Thank you for the great post Master Sergeant Bradley!
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CSM Infantry Senior Sergeant
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I'm right there with you nothing angers me more reading a great evaluation to later read a subpar evaluation from that NCO. Many times I've sat down and counseled senior NCOs on capturing what their junior NCOs did to make them excellent in their NCOERS. Usually the theme is one quantifiable bullet here or there so I ask the Rater to move bullets to combine as a quantifiable excellence in one of the blocks. 
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SFC Signals Intelligence Analyst
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We have another one to add to the list, since we are now mandated to address support of the SHARP program. 


o Single-handedly attended all scheduled SHARP training; stayed awake and did not snicker


I see a large influx of new UVAs INO who want to keep their Leadership blocks strong.

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Edited 12 y ago
Damn why does this mobile site always double post
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I generally agree with the above.  Generic bullets that don't feature quantifiable data or are just a fancy array of adjectives are nothing but placeholders on an NCOER.  

However, I have also known a few NCOs whose entire NCOER was nothing but that kind of stuff for a very solid reason:  They didn't do anything worth mentioning.  PT, 9-5, 30 days of leave, and a few times on staff duty.  No schools, no civilian education, no leadership position, no projects, no additional duties, no accomplishments.  Those NCOs simply existed to fill a slot and provide the bare minimum of supervision and communication in order to make the mission happen.  I see no reason to make stuff up or dress up mediocrity as anything but.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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SSG Beutler,

These NCOs can DO more to fill up their NCOERs (and not just a month or so before the thru date, either)
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1LT Infantry Officer
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MSG Quick,

I am with you 100%.  They can and they should with proper mentorship.  Yet a lot of them don't.  I see it a lot with terminal SSGs and SFCs.  Turning a new page in their book is not going to change the underwhelming nature of the previous 17 years worth of pages, they'd just be painting a house that's on fire.  So they Soldier on in the saddest meaning of that phrase.
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SFC Steven Harvey
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I'd chime in here and say that depending on the situation (90 day COR for example) they might not have been able to do anything else. 

There is no excuse for an annual however and I have ran across some in my day.  I track everything in my laptops calendar of who did what and anything I took note of as being bullet worthy.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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I have used these comments a few times. Every time it was with an average to slightly above average NCO, and a unit SOP that REQUIRED three bullets for every block. There just wasn't enough with this NCO to give three honest quantifiable bullets, so the third bullet was generic. But NEVER was the entire thing generic.

My first few NCOERs (like 5 years worth) had a lot of boilerplate. I had raters who refused to counsel me, and my bull-headed self decided I wasn't going to do their job for them - they could write my NCOER on their own like they were paid to do. After getting a number of 1/2 or 2/1 NCOERs with crap generic bullets, I just started writing my own and submitting it to my rater for correction. With one exception, I wrote every one of my NCOERs for my last 10 years in service. Not a single generic bullet on those ones. (I also never rated higher than a 2/2 before my rater got a hold of it, with a 3/2 thrown in for one of them. Of course, AFTER my rater got it, I was always a 1/2 or 2/1 with a couple 1/1s thrown in).
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I had the misfortune to have to write an NCOER on a Soldier that I had seen exactly ONE time. This Soldier transferred into my section in OCT 14. I was attending phase II ILE in lieu of BA from OCT - MAY. The Soldier was not present for June BA and we did not have BA in July. I met the guy in AUG and gave him his "initial" counseling. Came to BA in SEP and was told that SSG XYZ was due his annual NCOER.
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