Posted on May 16, 2020
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I am interested in pursuing a Warrant Officer career as a 255N, however I heard that it’s possible to get to 20 years and get “kicked out” with no retirement benefits instead of retiring with full benefits if I don’t get selected for promotion from CW2 to CW3. Is there truth in this?
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No, those people talking got their wires all crossed. It's possible to have less than 20 years and be a two time non select and and be separated. In those cases if you have over 15 years AFS then you can request to stay till retirement. You would never be able to compete for promotion again and HRC will review your records before approving. Plus you would be entitled to Statutory Entitlement which would allow you to revert to your last enlisted grade and retire. You would receive the average of your high 3 years of pay for your highest grade successfully held for retirement pay.

FYI its not a CW2 thing, all commissioned officers eventually have to face the two time non select. All commissioned officers get two looks at promotion and must get promoted or separate out.

As for retirement, it's damn near impossible to take that away from a Soldier. If you're at 18 years AFS you will receive something called Sanctuary where you can become a fat turd and still retire while flagged. Short of UCMJ, you will be entitled to receive your retirement as long as you submit your retirement request.
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CW4 Keith Dolliver
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I'm curious about that 15 year AFS program you reference, because I've never heard of anything like that. Are you talking about the TERA program that was around for a few years or something else entirely? If it is another program entirely do you have a reference? (Not doubting, but I have never heard of this and know multiple people separated due to non-select).
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CW4 Keith Dolliver it's not TERA, that allows you to retire at 15 AFS but with 25%. If you are a two time non select with 15+ years of AFS you can request to stay on AD until you reach retirement eligibility. HRC has the final say, but it's pretty routinely approved. You see it a lot with Majors, I think the term is Terminal Majors. Most CWs have enough AD time as enlisted that it's not an issue they'll ever face.
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...fat turd... I love it!
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CW4 Keith Dolliver
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As some others have said, once you get to 20 years you can retire regardless. Actually, you only have to make it to 18 years and then you enter sanctuary for the last two years, but will be required to retire at your 20 year mark. If you are a two time non-select prior to hitting 18 years AFS though you will be separated from service seven months after SecArmy certifies the board results. (e.g. Board convenes/adjourns in April, board results are typically certified in July or Aug, so separation would occur sometime around Jan-Mar.) Basically, you will probably need to make CW3 in order to retire. If you are young enough, depending how many years in service you have when you promote to WO1 you might be required to make CW4 in order to retire.

The one other caveat that no one has mentioned is Selective Continuation (SELCON). SELCON varies from year-to-year and you cannot request SELCON, but it can be offered to you. If you are a two-time non-select another board will automatically consider you for SELCON. Basically, it's saying you're not good enough to promote, but you're good enough to retain. SELCON varies widely with needs of the Army. If your MOS is under strength than SELCON is likely, if it's over strength than it's not. How long SELCON is offered for also changes each year. I've seen it offered for 3-years and also just 1-year. If you are offered SELCON than you continue to be considered for promotion and I have known multiple people that were selected for promotion while in SELCON. SELCON is nice to get you over that hurdle, or another couple years to get the OERs you need to get promoted, but basically it can't be counted on.
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You are not required to retire at the 20 year mark but your sanctuary orders will end. You will be eligible to retire but you have to apply for it. Alternatively you could request to transfer to the reserve.
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CW4 Keith Dolliver
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LTC (Join to see) Good to know, I was not aware of that.
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CW4 Keith Dolliver I only know because I resigned from the regular Army with 17 years of active service and I'm currently involuntarily mobilized. You can also apply for sanctuary and then turn down your sanctuary assignment.
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20 years is retirement. If you are passed over twice before you are eligible to retire, they can seperate you. I have seen people get passed over twice and booted out at 18 years.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Happened to a guy on RP in the last 12-18 months. He was weeks away from 18, which federal law provides some protection, you are retiring at 20 years and 59 seconds. Don't know how it played out. It appeared his BC was not quick in adjudicating it, perhaps to help him.
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LTC Jason Mackay That’s rough. I have also been told of an aviation LTC getting passed over for promotion that reverted to a WO. That’s some strange stuff.
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LTC Jason Mackay And I’m not referring to Mike Novosel.
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Had a guy get separated at 17 years, 364 days. Jinxed himself by always reenlisting on his AFADBD anniversary and got in trouble.
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