Posted on Oct 22, 2014
Global warming - ostriches in the sand while the earth dies.
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Maj Dews you make a very basic mistake with this report.
1. It is for the month.
The truth is that temperatures have not risen considerably, in the past 18 years, despite a 9% increase in the CO2 levels during the same period. (http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-global-temperatures)
Add to that fact that CO2 levels have been shown to lag behind temperature increases some 200 years (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html)
And finally, that whole 97% consensus that keeps getting thrown out has been resoundingly shown to be nothing but a huge propaganda effort
"Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, Calif., has by far the most signatures—more than 31,000 (more than 9,000 with a Ph.D.). It was most recently published in 2009, and most signers were added or reaffirmed since 2007. The petition states that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of . . . carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."" (http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB [login to see] [login to see] [login to see] [login to see] )
So, in the ever so prescient "Occams Razor" and Einsteins method of removing the all the possibilities, we are left with an undeniable truth. We the people have been presented with a faux problem in order to wage war and save ourselves by electing certain people who want more money to solve the problem.
Does anyone else see where there could be room for abuse here?
1. It is for the month.
The truth is that temperatures have not risen considerably, in the past 18 years, despite a 9% increase in the CO2 levels during the same period. (http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-global-temperatures)
Add to that fact that CO2 levels have been shown to lag behind temperature increases some 200 years (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html)
And finally, that whole 97% consensus that keeps getting thrown out has been resoundingly shown to be nothing but a huge propaganda effort
"Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, Calif., has by far the most signatures—more than 31,000 (more than 9,000 with a Ph.D.). It was most recently published in 2009, and most signers were added or reaffirmed since 2007. The petition states that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of . . . carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."" (http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB [login to see] [login to see] [login to see] [login to see] )
So, in the ever so prescient "Occams Razor" and Einsteins method of removing the all the possibilities, we are left with an undeniable truth. We the people have been presented with a faux problem in order to wage war and save ourselves by electing certain people who want more money to solve the problem.
Does anyone else see where there could be room for abuse here?
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MAJ (Join to see)
Capt Andrew Cosgrove There's plenty of data showing why temps are not rising as quickly as predicted based on CO2 levels. Acidification and warming of the oceans.
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Capt Andrew Cosgrove
Maj Dews, feel free to cite any of the work that explains the lag in CO2 Temps as I have cited in my response. The answer you seek is the simplest and it is right in front of our faces. Climate change is real. Of that there can be no argument. The argument that we as humans are causing real and direct global warming, has no basis in science other than as a hypothesis. A theory must be able to be tested. All the models that have been made have shown wild increases in Temp and yet there has been none for 18 years.
2Lt Yodock you state that you "...think these scientists have very little reason to try to fool us into believing a bunch of lies." I would disagree. They have as much interest in continuing the myth of Manmade Global Warming as anyone else. It is called research funding. As pointed out in my post, this has all been presented as a political and economic issue. If it was science why would treaties and agreements not include countries like China and India in the CO2 reduction? They are the biggest producers of environmental CO2. It is all a sad myth latched onto by politicians to scare voters into voting for them because they care and they have a solution.
Polar Ice increased by 60% this year, Antarctic Ice is at its largest area since records have been kept, Polar Bear populations are increasing, heat waves have actually diminished, storm intensities and frequencies have actually decreased.
The data simply does not support the assertions being made any more. The very simple truth is that Science has not yet progressed far enough to make any claims of validity in understanding global climate.
We look at all the evidence from the sources that we have been told to look at by those pushing this climate farce, and we see the opposite happening of what they predicted.
Now they tell us that we are misinterpreting things and that we should just leave it all up to them. Well sorry mate, you can't have it both ways.
When you tell a person we have to increase your taxes to pay for CO2 emission control because the polar bears are dieing then we see they are actually multiplying, or that the Arctic circle will be Ice free in 2014 and the Arctic Ice grows more in one season than ever before, most people say "Wait a minute here. We need to regroup and rethink this a bit."
2Lt Yodock you state that you "...think these scientists have very little reason to try to fool us into believing a bunch of lies." I would disagree. They have as much interest in continuing the myth of Manmade Global Warming as anyone else. It is called research funding. As pointed out in my post, this has all been presented as a political and economic issue. If it was science why would treaties and agreements not include countries like China and India in the CO2 reduction? They are the biggest producers of environmental CO2. It is all a sad myth latched onto by politicians to scare voters into voting for them because they care and they have a solution.
Polar Ice increased by 60% this year, Antarctic Ice is at its largest area since records have been kept, Polar Bear populations are increasing, heat waves have actually diminished, storm intensities and frequencies have actually decreased.
The data simply does not support the assertions being made any more. The very simple truth is that Science has not yet progressed far enough to make any claims of validity in understanding global climate.
We look at all the evidence from the sources that we have been told to look at by those pushing this climate farce, and we see the opposite happening of what they predicted.
Now they tell us that we are misinterpreting things and that we should just leave it all up to them. Well sorry mate, you can't have it both ways.
When you tell a person we have to increase your taxes to pay for CO2 emission control because the polar bears are dieing then we see they are actually multiplying, or that the Arctic circle will be Ice free in 2014 and the Arctic Ice grows more in one season than ever before, most people say "Wait a minute here. We need to regroup and rethink this a bit."
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First, I have to respond to the title of this thread; "ostriches in the sand while the earth dies." The earth is not dying. It may be becoming less inhabitable for us humans, but the earth is by no means dying. The earth was here long before we came along, and it will be here long after we're gone. So the concept that the earth is dying is completely false.
Second, I'd be curious to know where they're getting their data for analysis. Something seems fishy to me.
Second, I'd be curious to know where they're getting their data for analysis. Something seems fishy to me.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SPC James Mcneil Agreed... the earth is not dying - my bad. But ask the dinosaurs about what happens when things change quickly.
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SPC James Mcneil
You've mentioned that before. However, here is a link to some of the most drastic temperature changes in history. Note that the first two are not exactly recent.
http://www.weather.com/sports-rec/below-zero/5-extreme-temperature-drops-20130118
http://www.weather.com/sports-rec/below-zero/5-extreme-temperature-drops-20130118
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SSgt (Join to see)
SPC James Mcneil His ideas are power plays. If he presents this information as a cataclysmic long term disaster is a bit presumptuous at best.
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