Posted on Jan 25, 2015
Good call or bad call? Cop shoots man with gun.
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RAW VIDEO: Muskogee officer-involved shooting
++This is graphic video++ Muskogee, Oklahoma - January 17, 2015 Police are called to a wedding because a man, Terrence Walker, originally from the Houston ar...
Notice two points: 1:15 the man stops running and pulls the gun, and 6:33 the cop collapses after killing the man. What are your thoughts? Good call or bad call?
(Background info from the original YouTube poster: Muskogee, Oklahoma - January 17, 2015: Police are called to a wedding because a man, Terrence Walker, originally from the Houston area, had allegedly threatened to kill a woman. The arriving officer is tense not knowing what he would encounter or what to expect)
http://youtu.be/34VEjO-Wi0s
(Background info from the original YouTube poster: Muskogee, Oklahoma - January 17, 2015: Police are called to a wedding because a man, Terrence Walker, originally from the Houston area, had allegedly threatened to kill a woman. The arriving officer is tense not knowing what he would encounter or what to expect)
http://youtu.be/34VEjO-Wi0s
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I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6, honored by 7 and bugled by one.
He had a gun. So did I. I just happen to be better with mine.
He had a gun. So did I. I just happen to be better with mine.
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MSG (Join to see)
Ok, soi commented before watching the video. Now that I have, that cop is good. In the video, I was stuck watching the whole thing. By the time my brain said "shoot" I would've been shot at. Commend this officer for having the sight and judgement to end a situation unfolding. His actions were well warranted. Did you hear the crowd in the background saying "he didn't have no gun". People like that assuming the CIP is lying are problems. This officer is a bad ass hero in my book.
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I just think it's great that the police officer had a body camera. Without the body camera, there could be a big case about the fact that somebody was shot in the back 3-4 times. With the video, now the evidence is out there for a fair review and without as much bias by those with political motivations. I am a big supporter for video cameras on all cops to bring more transparency.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I was thinking the same thing. If I were the cop, one of my first comments would have been, "thank God I have a camera".
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Tough call, but I'm giving this one to the police officer on the ground.
Yes, yes, yes, I know - "But the 'suspect' wasn't acting aggressively towards the pig and the pig gunned him down in cold blood." - PIFFLE. Someone, obviously, doesn't know diddly about the ROE or the law.
Yes, yes, yes, I know - "But the pig could have shot him in the leg and disabled him." - [INCREDIBLY LOUD SNORT OF DERISION] Someone, obviously, doesn't know diddly about weapons and/or shooting and/or targets.
What is going to be interesting is the news follow up on this one when the reason why the person fled comes out. Don't expect that to get as much publicity as "Another Killer Cop Shoots A Black Man In The Back" does.
PS - I was very pleasantly surprised to see the Muskogee Police responding in force WITHOUT looking like Imperial Storm Troopers and also WITHOUT a massive display of weaponry. It's a good thing that the local media weren't the ones who shot the video.
Yes, yes, yes, I know - "But the 'suspect' wasn't acting aggressively towards the pig and the pig gunned him down in cold blood." - PIFFLE. Someone, obviously, doesn't know diddly about the ROE or the law.
Yes, yes, yes, I know - "But the pig could have shot him in the leg and disabled him." - [INCREDIBLY LOUD SNORT OF DERISION] Someone, obviously, doesn't know diddly about weapons and/or shooting and/or targets.
What is going to be interesting is the news follow up on this one when the reason why the person fled comes out. Don't expect that to get as much publicity as "Another Killer Cop Shoots A Black Man In The Back" does.
PS - I was very pleasantly surprised to see the Muskogee Police responding in force WITHOUT looking like Imperial Storm Troopers and also WITHOUT a massive display of weaponry. It's a good thing that the local media weren't the ones who shot the video.
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SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham
(snickers)... he said "piffle".
The COL has the right of it. Cops carry guns for reasons like this. Cop is righteous on this.
The COL has the right of it. Cops carry guns for reasons like this. Cop is righteous on this.
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Watched this earlier - if you listen to the post shooting video, the guy not only had a gun, but the hammer was cocked. Justified.
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Sadly, I'd say it was a good call, SGT Justin Singleton. Nobody wins in situations like these. It looked to me like a kill-or-be-killed situation, and the police officer did what he had to do. It's good that he was wearing a body camera. That allows everybody to see what happened and judge for themselves.
When I watched the video all the way through without stopping, it looked to me like the guy drew on the cop. When I went back and stopped the video at the critical juncture, it looked (indeed, as the police officer said) like the guy running away dropped something. He did turn briefly toward the cop, but I didn't see him draw or point a weapon at the police officer. I didn't see a weapon, but that's probably due to the video quality.
Bottom line: God bless the police. I would not want to be the guy walking up to a group of people like that. From my perspective, if that fellow had obeyed the police officer, had stayed put instead of run away, he'd still be alive.
When I watched the video all the way through without stopping, it looked to me like the guy drew on the cop. When I went back and stopped the video at the critical juncture, it looked (indeed, as the police officer said) like the guy running away dropped something. He did turn briefly toward the cop, but I didn't see him draw or point a weapon at the police officer. I didn't see a weapon, but that's probably due to the video quality.
Bottom line: God bless the police. I would not want to be the guy walking up to a group of people like that. From my perspective, if that fellow had obeyed the police officer, had stayed put instead of run away, he'd still be alive.
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SGT Justin Singleton
SFC Bad Karmaa, you obviously didn't watch the video. CW5 (Join to see) stated that he didn't see the gun when watching the video. The police officer saw the gun. The gun was "cocked" and ready to fire.
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SGT Justin Singleton
I suspect you are correct, PO2 William Allen Crowder. That said, I actually did a little bit of snooping on some of his other comments and they seemed legit. So I am not sure.
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PO2 Steven Erickson
CW5 (Join to see) I taught my boys to never argue with the officer. You do exactly as he says. You can argue with the Judge, but only if you live through the encounter with the man holding the badge and the gun.
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It looks pretty clear to me. The guy the LEO was chasing had a weapon. Doesn't matter if it's pointed at anyone or otherwise being held in a threatening manner, once you've been chased by a police officer and a weapon is reached for it's game over. Righteous shoot.
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It looked justified to me.
Like many here, I have a lot of LEO friends. I've known two who were murdered during "routine" traffic stops. Civilians will never understand the moment when that "them or me" decision has to be made. I don't, either, but I've listened to those who have been. It's a humbling thing, acting as a friend to these men and women.
Thank God these men and women are out there and run toward "The Dark" in our stead.
Like many here, I have a lot of LEO friends. I've known two who were murdered during "routine" traffic stops. Civilians will never understand the moment when that "them or me" decision has to be made. I don't, either, but I've listened to those who have been. It's a humbling thing, acting as a friend to these men and women.
Thank God these men and women are out there and run toward "The Dark" in our stead.
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What a terrible situation in which to be placed. Having been placed in tense situations, I know that none of us can say whether or not we'd have acted the same way the officer did but I do not find fault with his actions.
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I saw the video today. It looked like the thug was carrying in his waste band without an IWB holster. The firearm fell through as he was running. Stopping to pick it up was the second mistake.
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CMC Robert Young
And people like that are why we can't have intelligent discussions about the problems that trouble our society.Surround an armed suspect......really?? Clearly somebody who has spent far too much time either watching procedural cop dramas on TNT or just plain has their head in the sand.
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