Posted on Oct 29, 2013
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I expect to catch a lot of "High & Tight" shaped heat rounds for this but I'm ready so fire away.  My question is simple.  I look back at the men and woman that served our country in the conflicts of the past, from the Revolutionary War all the way to Vietnam, and what do you see?  Brave men and woman who have the appearance of the modern professional of their time.  Do you know what I don't see?  That's right, High & Tights, shaved heads, and crew cuts.  When/why did the Army move away from maintaining a professional appearance that would fit in with any conservative Fortune 500 company of it's time to this idea that skin is the standard?  (Side note, the misinterpretation by leaders of AR 670-1 astounds me.  There is no 3 inch rule for hair length. Check it out.)  
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SSG Lisa Rendina
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We can take it one step further as well when applied to female Soldiers.  Take a look at photos from WWII of WAVES, WACS, WASPS, etc.  These women look professional, groomed, and like women.  Today women are encouraged to look less like women and more like men.  We pull our hair back in severe buns (giving the same general appearance from the front of the head as our male counterparts), we wear often times ill-fitting uniforms because they were designed for men, we are limited on wear of makeup and nail polish, and are discouraged from acting "like a girl" all for the sake of "professionalism".  Now, I am not saying that there are not women in today's Army that would take an inch of freedom and run a mile with it, but is there really something so very wrong with being a women and looking like a woman?
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Why should you judge the personal appearance of a soldier? Because the Army tells you to. AR 670-1, 1-7 Personal Appearance.

It's not a beauty contest and no one is saying it is. It's a matter of looking "neat and well-groomed". Women do not look neat when wearing uniforms that are either baggy and loose or too tight. 

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SSG Lisa Rendina
SSG Lisa Rendina
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SSG L-A,

I also preferred the Class-A, now ASU, pants to the skirt.  In fact, I wore my skirt one time and one time only!  You would not be a "dudette" at all, the "dudettes " are the ones who try everything possible to look nothing like a female and as much like a man as possible...even acting like a man instead of a lady.  I have been a "tomboy" my entire life.  After all, I joined the military, I enjoy shooting, hiking, cycling, sports, etc.  I also like to get dressed up and go to a nice dinner and have my nails done.  

The purpose of the ACU-A and the decision to allow either gender to wear it was to provide the best fit possible; which then contributes to a professional appearance.  Makeup is allowed by the regulation, and if a female chooses to wear it she can within the limits.  I agree with you that females should have the choice and not have either decision forced.


SFC H,

No issues!  If the ACU-A fits a male Soldier better than the standard ACU he should wear it and be proud to have a uniform that fits!  I tend to call them the female ACUs only because it had its start as a re-design keeping the differences between "typical" men's and women's bodies in mind.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I couldn't have said it better SSG Rendina. 
Although I wouldn't want to offend someone or sound inconsiderate, so I'll refrain from using the word "dudette" again. I apologize.  
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SSG William Patton
SSG William Patton
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Excellent discussion SSG Rendina.  I have to agree, but the problem goes beyond just the uniform, but this entire focus of political correctness sweeping society.  We can no longer speak out on points that show our differences for fear of hurting someones feelings.  Even behaviors that are detrimental are not to be discussed, even if those behaviors show a deviant behavior and one detrimental to a particular group and the society as a whole.  Achknowledging differences if they become detrimental to overall morale and military effectiveness is harmful to the overall mission of the military and weakens us where it counts the most, on the battlefield.
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MAJ Mpp Candidate
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I was just speaking to some co-workers about this same issue. I believe a lot of the extreme haircuts stem from the all-volunteer force and a growing us vs them (civilians) mentality.
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On the OPSEC part sir, that's why I try to push the limits with my hair. I don't like everyone and their mother knowing I'm in the Army just by looking at me. It makes me a target.
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i just shave mine, civilians can be bald too
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Pushing the limits is one thing, outright ignoring the rules is another.
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MAJ John Adams
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Are shaved heads really allowed now? They weren't when I was active duty. Only nature was allowed to remove ALL of the hair! But I agree with you, MAJ. The Army, and I assume all armed forces, are being indoctrinated into the belief that they're different and special -- better than other people. It bothers me quite a bit that the concept of untermenchen is alive and well and wearing US uniforms. It has never ended well.
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SSG Lisa Rendina
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2LT B,
 
You are right.  While I was in I wore a small amount of make up in neutral colors and kept my fingernails polished and groomed.  I did all of this within the limits of AR 670-1 because I am a woman and should look like a woman.  Since I am no longer in the service the proposed changes to AR 670-1 do not affect me, however, I feel that the proposal of no makeup and no nail polish is counter productive and as a whole the Army has much bigger issues to tackle.  As for what your DS said, I never experienced that particular sentiment.  While deployed though as half of a dual-military couple rumors were widespread through the unit that my Husband and I were going through a divorce simply because we kept it professional in the office.  Because co-workers did not see us "acting like a married couple" we must not be getting along.  I have heard from other female Soldiers that the general stereotype of single females is that of "barracks s***t" even if it is furthest from the truth.
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