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An Army soldier attending Artsfest on Memorial Day thought something was fishy with the Marine uniform worn by 75-year-old Robert Ford, who was strolling along Front Street.

Ford's hat bore some wrinkles, according to the soldier's assessment, and his belt buckle looked too ornate for his rank.

The soldier enlisted the help of a Harrisburg police officer working at the event, who was a Marine, and together, they accused Ford of being a fraud.

"He's not a real Marine!" the officer shouted to the crowd gathered for the PennLive/Patriot-News Artsfest of Greater Harrisburg. "Stolen valor!"

"I was humiliated," said Ford, of Marysville.

The only problem is Ford did serve in the Marines from 1958 to 1964. He earned the rank of lance corporal.

"He's as legit as you can get," said Doug Sterner, a Vietnam veteran and archivist from Pueblo, Colo., who is nationally recognized for detecting military fraud. Sterner confirmed Ford's military service this week through Headquarters Marine Corps.

The incident in Harrisburg, Sterner said, represents a troubling trend across the country of veterans becoming vigilantes.

Veterans are angry, Sterner said, after a federal law about "stolen valor," was struck down in 2012 and a meeker version passed in its place. Under the new law, few cases are being investigated or prosecuted against people who falsely claim military awards or service, Sterner said.

"The veteran community, frustrated and upset, is saying, 'OK. We'll do it ourselves,' " Sterner said. "But what it's leading to is a bunch of hot heads. ... There's a lot of bullying going on in the community now. It's almost like hunting game, going out looking for phonies."

In many cases, veterans or others who spot inconsistences are rewarded for their efforts. In Pennsylvania alone, people outed Jim Moats, of Newville, for his fake Navy Seal story; Brian Khan, of Harrisburg, for pretending to be a Marine; and Mark Kauffman, a veteran who's disabled status became an issue in March.

B.G. "Jug" Burkett, a Dallas-area Vietnam veteran who wrote a book entitled, "Stolen Valor," understands why people get upset at fakes who try to gain respect by claiming they served "shoulder to shoulder with those who gave their lives for America."

Burkett has helped in numerous prosecutions of fake military war heroes. But he said what happened in Harrisburg was a shame.

"I think that cop was out of line, approaching him like that with no evidence," Burkett said. "This is an older guy and maybe they didn't dress the same way 50 years ago."

Sterner agreed.

"I'd rather see a dozen phonies get kudos they don't deserve than besmirch the reputation of one innocent veteran," he said. "Even if I see something totally outlandish, I'm not going to jump. ... You don't just go up and confront people."

Ford asked to file a complaint with the Harrisburg Police Department over the way the officer, Detective John O'Connor, treated him. Capt. Deric Moody promised an investigation.

But as of Wednesday night, no one had contacted Ford or apologized to him. Moody told PennLive he still was trying to confirm Ford's military status.

Anthony Flaynik, the commandant of the local detachment of the Marine Corps League, said his group was doing their own investigation into the police department's actions.

"He gives up his time volunteering for honor guard for veteran funerals every three weeks," Flaynik said of Ford. "He comes out in the rain, shine, hot, cold. We need to do what we can to help him."

The incident

Ford has a tradition on Memorial Day. He dons his dress blue uniform, visits the cemetery, plays "Taps" on his bugle in a wreath-laying ceremony along the Susquehanna River, then attends Artsfest, where he looks for presents for his granddaughter.

But this year, as he was perusing the artware, a uniformed officer approached along with a man in civilian clothes.

The officer asked for Ford's unit and his military occupation specialty.

Ford answered and noted he specialized in machine guns, rockets and flame-throwers.

"I have to investigate for 'stolen valor,' " the officer said, which Ford said he found insulting.

Still, Ford let it pass and recommended the officer attend the wreath-laying ceremony next year. The officer simply walked away.

Ford returned to shopping, but 10 minutes later was again confronted by the officer in front of The Patriot-News booth.

"Where did you go to boot camp?" the officer said.

Ford said he couldn't figure out why the officer was questioning his service. Ford hadn't claimed any war heroics and his uniform bore no combat medals.

"What am I trying to do?" Ford said. "Impersonate a lance corporal who never served in combat?"

Things quickly escalated.

"What is your problem?" Ford asked.

The officer reiterated his demand.

Fed up, Ford told the officer to leave him alone in terms that contained an expletive.

That's when the officer started shouting, Ford said.

"You don't know where you went to boot camp," the officer said, according to Ford. "You aren't a Marine."

Ford said the soldier joined in, shouting: "Stolen Valor! This man is a fake!"

Embarrassed, Ford slinked away, but the men followed. When Ford stopped and turned to face them, Ford said the officer waved his hand over his holstered weapon as if he were ready to draw it on Ford.

"I was getting very nervous," Ford said. "I was afraid to reach for my wallet."

A woman working at The Patriot-News booth, who did not want her name published, confirmed Ford's account that the officer followed Ford and yelled that Ford wasn't a Marine.

The woman said the ordeal lasted about 10 to 15 minutes. She described the officer as being antagonistic and said she believed the officer was trying to get Ford to make a move.

Eventually, Ford did retrieve his wallet to show the officer his U.S. Veterans Affairs card. The officer motioned for the soldier to examine it, Ford said.

The soldier concluded that Ford's VA card was a "fake and that anybody can print those out," Ford said.

That's when Ford asked for the officer's supervisor. Ford walked a block or so to meet Capt. Moody, with the officer and soldier trailing.

Moody talked to Ford and inspected his identification cards by holding them up in the air and tilting them, drawing more attention and embarrassing Ford.

The kerfuffle attracted a television news crew.

"People were gawking at the scene," Ford said. "People must have been thinking this was really bad."

Eventually, Moody, also a Marine, reportedly told Ford "it would be best if he just left, to avoid the camera and all the people that were now watching."

Ford refused. He merged back in with the crowd, but noticed the officer lurking nearby, arms folded with his eyes fixed on Ford. Ford said he was disappointed Moody had not instructed the officer to move on.

Ford had hoped Moody would set things right. Instead, Ford said he felt even worse after the encounter.

"I felt their attitude was like, 'So what.' " Ford said. "I've spent almost my whole life working on veterans' issues."

Ford said he has launched programs to help veterans, is active in his local Marine Corp League and occasionally contributes letters about veterans' issues to the Opinion section of The Patriot-News.

Moody said the officer didn't curse nor put his hands on Ford so the incident didn't rise to the level of an internal affairs investigation. Instead, Moody said he was conducting an informal review of the incident.

"There were inconsistencies in his uniform," Moody said of Ford. "If an apology is due, then an apology is due."

Get evidence first

Experts who advocate for veterans and root out military fraud say public humiliation is not the way to go when one suspects something askew about a military uniform.

Older soldiers can forget the proper order of ribbons, but "that doesn't mean they're a phony," said Sterner, who runs a website called Home for Heroes. "Even real heroes make mistakes."

Sterner has accumulated a database of top military war medals as one method to guard against fraudulent claims.

Even with Sterner's background, he said he has only confronted one person in 15 years over "stolen valor" and that's because he knew the names of all the medal recipients for a particular award being claimed.

Sterner recommended that people concerned with military fraud should simply take down a person's information and "get their ducks in a row."

"I'm not going to confront or accost someone," Sterner said. "I'm going to get my evidence first."

Burkett, who lectures FBI agents and government-fraud investigators, advises on his website how people can check their suspicions by requesting the actual military records.

"I'm just surprised at this cop," Burkett said. "Most of the time, a real vet would not do that. ... People should ask questions first, then go check things out later."

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MSgt Michael Ivey
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Such a sad and pathetic thing to have happen. This veteran did not deserve to be treated by this police officer as he was. I hope the Police Chief at the least, gave him a good butt thrashing! But, probably won't happen. Police are always right! Never back down or apologize when they are wrong! It not in their DNA!
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SPC Korey Kilburn
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What a couple of disgraceful ex-marines in cops clothes. Not good cops and not good Marines. Captain Moody must have ate too many crayons, his Officer is just a sad excuse for a sack of shit.
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SSG George Holtje
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Did anyone say Officer why don’t you go bust some meth snorting teenagers before I put my foot in your ass.

What is the charge for aggravated assault for stolen valor accusations based on ignoramouses
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SPC David S.
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While I think both LEO's and the other stolen valor crusader's behavior were out of line there is an easy fix for all this. In PA vets can get a veterans designation on their driver's license or identification card that clearly indicates that the bearer is a veteran of the United States Armed Forces.
In IL we have a similar law and I have it. Very handy for getting discounts on ammo and range time as well the few times I've been pulled over.
Sure its a little bit of paper work but Mr. Ford could of easily stopped the officer in his tracks and demanded an apology in front of everyone with it.

The irony - "Janice Sample" is from "Harrisburg"
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SGT Brian Lorkowski
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This is getting ridiculous.
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CW2 Jonathan Hall
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Thanks for posting this.. as we ALL uniforms change over time.. my grand father who in ww2 did not wear the same army uniform i did.. hell in 2000 i worn a different uniform than i did in 2012.. bdu's look different than acu's.. thats just one example. Im sure there is 100s of other examples, so even if we carry a card someone can just say it fake, show them you dd-214 or state version they can thats fake too.. tbere has to be another way to get stupid people to back off, police officers as well as anyone else tbat acts that way..
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MSG Robert Matias
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some take being gatekeepers to seriously. I was in Florida when a couple of young men took issue with a kid who was wearing ACU shirt and a ASU soft cap. The bartender and myself told them to let it go. Turns out the kid is proud of his mom’s service.
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SSgt Dwight Deatherage
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Correct on that. I spent 4 years active Duty in the Army - all CONUS. I qualified and wore a NDSM and Army Good Conduct and a Marksmanship Badge.

The next year I went in the Air Guard in the same job skills (Air Traffic Control).

When I went to get all of my uniforms they issued me a hand full of ribbons and a specialty badge. I inquired, even though I been in a few hours, I had an AF Good Conduct, AF Marksmanship ribbon, and all kinds of unit citations - now I had 7 ribbons and an ATC Badge, and looked like I must have been around half a lifetime

On my first
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SPC David Willis
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To anyone who has actually confronted a "stolen valor" case. What did you get out of it other than 5 minutes of fame and 20 likes on facebook? How about we all mind our own business a little bit more? 90% of veterans have no war stories or "valor" to steal, we all just did a job and came home and I don't know about yall but when I came home I decided the last thing I wanted to be was a uniform Nazi/stolen valor private investigator.
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SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter
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I had a similar incident happen to me one day while waiting for the train after leaving my office. I had on a hat that said Air Force Veteran. Some idiot walked up to me and said hey you a Veteran I said to him yes. He said I don't believe you show me proof he went on to say give me times and places you served. I said excuse me are you a Veteran he said no I am not. I then said to him go ahead about your business sir. He again said no I am waiting for you to give me time and places. By this time the idiot had pissed me off I dropped my backpack and got in his face and said to him if you don't get away from me you'll going to be very sorry you had this encounter with me. He cowardly walked away. The nerve of this guy!
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