Posted on Dec 1, 2016
Has anyone ever been in a screaming match or any altercation with their superiors?
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I am no stranger to using the line "Do your job..." (insert Sir or Sargent as it applied). Sometime it included an expletive. If they expect perfection from me, they better be doing their job too.
One time, I even threatened to take away a majors compass one day, when he was being 'less than helpful' with his duties. I told him it was my duty as an NCO (Staff Sargent), to protect the safety of his men, if he could not show competence in his job. I was joking of course, but he snatched up his compass anyways, because he knew I would do it. Made a very funny sight, him clutching his compass.
On another occasion, I had a Sargent was assigned as my squad leader, who was being lazy. I was then a Spec 4, Gunner for a mortar platoon. We were doing evaluations, and he was sitting on his but. I had to keep telling him what he needed to do. At one point he told me "you know what to do, you take care of it." Of course this was in front of our evaluator, after repeatedly missing time by seconds, over the course of about 6 hours. I gave him a good swift kiss in the cheek he was sitting on, and told him to get up and do his F'ing job. After which, he began the "You can't that"...,"I'm an NCO"... and so on. I told him I didn't have time to do his job and mine too.
The Evaluator, stood there trying to look serious, but you could tell he was trying not to laugh. When the platoon Sargent was called in, I told him the same and it seemed to end there. At least for me.
One time, I even threatened to take away a majors compass one day, when he was being 'less than helpful' with his duties. I told him it was my duty as an NCO (Staff Sargent), to protect the safety of his men, if he could not show competence in his job. I was joking of course, but he snatched up his compass anyways, because he knew I would do it. Made a very funny sight, him clutching his compass.
On another occasion, I had a Sargent was assigned as my squad leader, who was being lazy. I was then a Spec 4, Gunner for a mortar platoon. We were doing evaluations, and he was sitting on his but. I had to keep telling him what he needed to do. At one point he told me "you know what to do, you take care of it." Of course this was in front of our evaluator, after repeatedly missing time by seconds, over the course of about 6 hours. I gave him a good swift kiss in the cheek he was sitting on, and told him to get up and do his F'ing job. After which, he began the "You can't that"...,"I'm an NCO"... and so on. I told him I didn't have time to do his job and mine too.
The Evaluator, stood there trying to look serious, but you could tell he was trying not to laugh. When the platoon Sargent was called in, I told him the same and it seemed to end there. At least for me.
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I was in a yelling match with my ex wife's entire chain of command I cussed them out over and over and they swore up and down I'd be in trouble. Right after they said that I asked them about as much trouble someone would be in for contacting someone under a no contact order without notifying their chain of command? No they didn't contact anyone in my chain of command and I was under a no contact order and they kept trying to get me to talk to my ex wife. Long story short I got verbally reprimanded but my ex's squad leader lost rank over it for that gross oversight her 1SG and commander were told they contacted my command and nobody did. I seen my opportunity and took it but I never did it again they all knew my ex was sleeping with someone else and did nothing even with photo evidence. Horrible leadership produces grotesque soldiers. Oh and her 1SG came back from deployment as a specialist for sleeping with a Platoon SGT.
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When I was in the Marine Corp 59-63 you didn't get in a screaming match with your superior. You would have been in the Brig for insubordnation. If you didn't get along with your superior for personal reasons then you went to see the Chaplin. Discipline in the Marine Corp is why it has the history it has. You may not agree with the superior who give orders but you follow orders. I was in the Army 63-66, sent to Vietnam in 65. I saw Sgts arguing with officers, Peons arguing with Nco. One person refused to go on Guard Duty in the Ammo Dump at night because he was an 18 yr old draftee scared to death. I don't know the outcome but the Co. took care of it. Good leadership is important when it comes to giving orders. Semper Fi.
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I have been on both sides of this fence....fought my PSG and had soldiers cuss me out. But I never stopped a soldier from handling a family emergency...always took care of pay problems, and ensured that sick or injured soldiers went On sick call. As far as putting your hands on me, you regretted it! Check the record! ISG “Mad Jack” Monroe, ISG Ronald “Drill Sergeant” Vickerstaff, and ISG “Taz the Tasmainian Devil” Forester!
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Had issues with my PA while assigned to HHB 1/41 FA (Pershing) in the early '80's; all to often I had to be a duck/airhead... Some of the ideas he wanted to accomplish required the signature of an 0-6(modification to M-TO&E, and vehicle mods). I'd ask to for the authorization letter or change of hand receipt and be told to just get the mods done based on his word...
Like I said, had to be a duck/airhead and let it go in one out the other and roll down my back...
Like I said, had to be a duck/airhead and let it go in one out the other and roll down my back...
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I did have a shouting match with a 1LT. I handled it wrong because him and I had it out in front of Soldiers. The argument was about allowing Soldiers to go to FAST class to improve their GT score. This happened in S. Korea. The test for the initial GT test was on a Thursday and only once a month and you could not attend the classes without taking the test. He did not want to let them go because it was during SGT’s Time TNG. I tried to explain to him that mission one day of Sergeant’s time would not hurt them. We went back and forth. I did have them take the test. He was a terrible platoon leader. He was fired from being a platoon leader by the company commander but for different reasons. We were all glad. Anyway, I handled it the wrong way regardless if I won that fight. I should have waited before I confronted him about it.
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Unfortunately, yes. Fortunately, I was not written up. During the last few months of my being in the Marines, I had the misfortune of getting a new OIC. The 1st LT that I had been working with for the previous 2 years was among the best officers that I ever worked with.j
His replacement was already a 1LT without having even gotten his MOS. He was a washout from flight school. When this "gentleman" replaced the previous OIC it didn't take long to realize he was a A1 idiot. In the late 80's you knew there was something wrong when an officer doesn't join until he is almost 30 years old.
We were a computer programming/support unit of 12 men and women in support of the 2nd Marine Air Wing with training, software support, hardware support and logistics.
Examples of this gentleman's decision making was to assign 4 men to support a single computer in a remote auxiliary landing field, while only assigning 1 man to support 20 computers at a different location. Not the best use of resources.
While preparing for a field exercise, my job included training about 30 Pvt, PFC and LCPLs on the use of a new computer system at Camp LeJeune. I had just been notified that I was being passed over for promotion to SSgt the second time. The LT had already made enough bad decisions to last an entire career and decided to make another one.
He showed up at the LZ where I was teaching these young Marines how to use the new system. The training was already about 90 minutes in and would take about 6 hours to complete. The LT showed up and decided he wanted to know how the system worked.
At this point, I turned around and informed the Lt that he was descended from unmarried persons and did not know his father, was lacking in coherent decision making abilities, was fornicating with his mother and was practiced in the art of sodomy. This was about a 5 minute discussion. At the end, of which, I "ordered" him to go home and not come back.
He simply turned around and went back to Cherry Point and did not return for another week.
Needless to say, this was not what a Sgt of Marines should do in front of multiple junior Marines.
Did I mention that there were 3 other Marines in the tent at that time? The witnesses to this gross break in military protocol were a MGYSGT from the 2nd MAW G3, a Major from the 2nd MAW G4 and a full Col who was the 2nd MAW G1.
I will say that I fully expected to be written up, and possibly face a courts martial, not so much for what I said, but for saying it in front of junior troops.
The only thing said to me was "Sgt Allen, that's not the way you're supposed to handle that, but we understand."
I did have a few more "less than polite" discussion with that LT over the remaining 2 months that I served under him, including telling him to get back in his office and work on this masters degree.
In the end, he gave me one of the best fitness reports I ever received. He even rated me on training of officers. My CO showed me the write up and said he agreed, even though I shouldn't have been rated on officer training. J
My final decision to exit the Marines at that time was based on the fact that I only had 30 days to my end of enlistment. If I was to re-enlist, I was still have to remain on station for a minimum of 10 months and I knew that I would not last that long.
In the end, I feel somewhat justified as I found out that this Lt was one of the few EVER to receive "white letter" from the Commandant of the Marine Corps saying that upon completion of 4 years active duty that he was expected to tender his resignation from the USMC.
I can't help but wonder, who else did he impress?
His replacement was already a 1LT without having even gotten his MOS. He was a washout from flight school. When this "gentleman" replaced the previous OIC it didn't take long to realize he was a A1 idiot. In the late 80's you knew there was something wrong when an officer doesn't join until he is almost 30 years old.
We were a computer programming/support unit of 12 men and women in support of the 2nd Marine Air Wing with training, software support, hardware support and logistics.
Examples of this gentleman's decision making was to assign 4 men to support a single computer in a remote auxiliary landing field, while only assigning 1 man to support 20 computers at a different location. Not the best use of resources.
While preparing for a field exercise, my job included training about 30 Pvt, PFC and LCPLs on the use of a new computer system at Camp LeJeune. I had just been notified that I was being passed over for promotion to SSgt the second time. The LT had already made enough bad decisions to last an entire career and decided to make another one.
He showed up at the LZ where I was teaching these young Marines how to use the new system. The training was already about 90 minutes in and would take about 6 hours to complete. The LT showed up and decided he wanted to know how the system worked.
At this point, I turned around and informed the Lt that he was descended from unmarried persons and did not know his father, was lacking in coherent decision making abilities, was fornicating with his mother and was practiced in the art of sodomy. This was about a 5 minute discussion. At the end, of which, I "ordered" him to go home and not come back.
He simply turned around and went back to Cherry Point and did not return for another week.
Needless to say, this was not what a Sgt of Marines should do in front of multiple junior Marines.
Did I mention that there were 3 other Marines in the tent at that time? The witnesses to this gross break in military protocol were a MGYSGT from the 2nd MAW G3, a Major from the 2nd MAW G4 and a full Col who was the 2nd MAW G1.
I will say that I fully expected to be written up, and possibly face a courts martial, not so much for what I said, but for saying it in front of junior troops.
The only thing said to me was "Sgt Allen, that's not the way you're supposed to handle that, but we understand."
I did have a few more "less than polite" discussion with that LT over the remaining 2 months that I served under him, including telling him to get back in his office and work on this masters degree.
In the end, he gave me one of the best fitness reports I ever received. He even rated me on training of officers. My CO showed me the write up and said he agreed, even though I shouldn't have been rated on officer training. J
My final decision to exit the Marines at that time was based on the fact that I only had 30 days to my end of enlistment. If I was to re-enlist, I was still have to remain on station for a minimum of 10 months and I knew that I would not last that long.
In the end, I feel somewhat justified as I found out that this Lt was one of the few EVER to receive "white letter" from the Commandant of the Marine Corps saying that upon completion of 4 years active duty that he was expected to tender his resignation from the USMC.
I can't help but wonder, who else did he impress?
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More than I can count for a plethora of reasons; however, I may not agree with your NCOs life choices/decision making skills/values etc I also dont agree with you bragging about it in an open forum. Army values!
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This was in Germany in the early 70's. I was a brand new SP5 in computer repair with a top secret clearance because of the equipment. When I was working the area was closed off for security. I had a Battalion Captain decide he had to enter the area. I had warned him off about 4 different times... even threw a wrench at the door once, but he kept coming back. So I punched him to make him leave. The Battalion commander decided his best course of action was to just bust me back to SP4 instead of article 15 and the rank. But the Captain got transferred and we never saw him again.
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