Posted on Dec 1, 2016
Has anyone ever been in a screaming match or any altercation with their superiors?
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Sadly Yes,
There was a couple of times I believed I was justified, getting in a screaming match with my Superiors.
I was Wrong every time!,
the 1st time was over what I Believed was a Safety Violations, putting Military Personal at unnecessarily Risk of being Seriously Injured or Killed.
I was correct about my Concerns, but learned Yelling at my Superiors was not the correct way to handle this situation.
my Chief was correct, screaming at anyone is the wrong approach in most cases
the Second time happen with a E-7 that I had a Personality Conflict With , from the day I reported on Board , I even asked him why he hated me so much, or what did I do to make him hate me? found out it was not hate.
but control, he felt he could not control or Intimidate me, because I did not fear him, weird Right?
I did my job and what I was Told to do,
yet it was never good enough for him, so I stopped worrying or caring about his concerns, I just did my Job and this angered him even more.
we got into a big screaming match after I had fell 30ft & while I was on what I thought was medical
Leave.
while I was on Leave, on a hunting Trip, I fell 30 plus feet and Broke my back in Multiple areas, I shattered my (L-1,) (L-2) (T-11) (T-12) ALONG WITH (C-1) (C-2) & others, I had no feeling from my waist down, could not walk for the 1st 6 weeks, after the Swelling went down I was able to start walking again I am in Constant Pain from my fall
after I had contacted my Station , I Thought I was put on medical Leave.
I made the Mistake of believing this E-7 would do his job, and take me off of leave & put me on medical Leave after I had called him & the Red Cross, as per his orders.
I was also ordered to call & informed the command of the seriousness of my injuries, and to call him at least once a day
as I was Recovering from my Injuries, I called him and the XO Daily to keep them informed of my situation.
My E-7 Keep demanding I Leave the Hospital & return to my duty station , every time I called.
he never asked me how I was doing during my recovery,
he just wanted me back on watch,
I informed him I could not walk, he demanded to speak to the doctor, I informed him the doctor was not with me, but I would ask him to call him , this E-7 just slammed the phone down.
I called him the next day as per his orders, he told me he knew I could walk,
this was news to me, because at that time I could
this E-7 then told me that I was not hurt and was faking this injury, I was left speechless,
after he yelled at me to speak, and to explain myself to him
to defend myself,
I took a few sec & told him you give me to much credit, Chief
so I am in a hospital, and you are telling me the Doctor, nurse, Surgeon & the Hospital staff the CEO of the Hospital were all working with me to just to fool you and the Military , so I can stiff them with t a high medical bill
just so I could take time off, from my Leave!
I Said Chie, f why would I fake a injury so serious and Easley disproven, with a simple X-Ray?
Why would I fake a injury while on leave?
mind you up until this accident I had only missed one day of work due to the Flu in 10 years of military service.
after 6 mo of being in the hospital and Physical Therapy , I was able to travel back to my duty Station, I was happy to get home, I though I was still on Medical leave , the Anger in this E-7 Face when he seen that I was seriously Injured & still in a body cast, was just Astonishing,
the E-7 never Once asked how I was doing?
how was the recovery going?
it was all anger and hate , his First question was can you stand a watch ?
the CO was with him, and Looked at the E-7 & told him I could not return to duty due to the fact I was still in a body cast.
she stated this as I was standing in front of them in a body cast from the waste up ,
I just stood there not knowing what to say, before you ask, no he was not kidding .
I picked up my mail, looked at my paper work and flew into a rage , remember I am still heavily medicated for the pain ,
when I seen that this E-7 did not put me on Medical leave, that he was still charging me Reg Leave, that he had went though my 60 days of saved leave, and put me in the hole for 120 days
I went straight to anger and started yelling at him, sadly I was not Thinking I was allowing my emotions to control me, this was the straw that broke my back, see what I Did there,
due to all the bullshit he had put me though, since before I was injured, and during my injure I was Screaming & yelling at him in front of everyone.
let me be clear, this was the wrong way for me to handle this situation.
but I was not thinking, I was angry, and making bad decisions
all because I was allowing my anger to control me.
Sadly how I reacted in front of the command was not the right thing to do
How was the CO going to be able to hold him accountable for his purposeful Evil actions, with me yelling at him in front of the CO, the Crew & God he was smiling as I was freaking out and yelling.
I put the CO in a bad spot, she could not hold him accountable for his actions without holding me accountable for my actions, do not misunderstand the XO Fixed the E-7 purposeful EVIL Act! I had all my leave restored.
sadly to my Knowledge this E-7 that should not have been a E-7 was not held accountable, to the best of my Knowledge,
this does not mean the E-7 was not held accountable, the command might have held him accountable behind close doors, I will never know.
when the CO did a Investigation on his actions, she found out he had been charging every junior personal reg leave when it should have been medical leave .
How evil is this E-7, to charge junior personal reg Leave when it a medical situation , and should be charged as medical leave!
most of my Superiors always gave me a 2nd Chance, they Mentor & worked with me, and I thank them for it.
do not mis-understand, I never made the same mistake twice, yet when I did screw up, for some reason My senior Enlisted and Command must have seen something worth saving in me.
I thank them for there kindness and leadership everyday.
during my early years in the Military, I was a Angry young man, hard working but hot headed, My Senior leadership , seen this & took it upon themselves to mentor me & help me grow up.
taught me how to control my emotions, not to let my Emotions control me.
My Chiefs Taught & showed me how every single person, over 99.7% of the time will make a bad Choice or Decision when Angry or Upset.
(FYI) I made this 99.7% number up,) do not use it as fact! Yet I believe it is awfully close to being correct.
MY Senior Leadership Taught and showed me how almost every one will make a bad choices or Decisions when they are upset, angry or Frustrated, very few will make the right Choice or Decision when upset or angry .
this is why it is best to take a few sec,
take a few deep Breaths,
to count to ten before you speak,
allow yourself a sec to get all the information,
get your thoughts together before you speak or make a decision.
Sadly & speaking only for myself, I believe me and so many others are not taught this as a child,
I have Often Wondered if my father had lived would he have taken the time to mentor and teach me these basic life skills ? this I will never know. I do know so many young men are raised by single mothers, just as I was, when we need both a Mother and father to love, teach and mentor there children
any way
every Future Military Leader should be taught that no one likes to be yelled at, or screamed at, every single person will turn there ears off, ie: not listen
no one is Listening or Hearing anything that is being said, when they are being yelled at.
Good leaders very Rarely Raise there voices let alone, Scream at someone.
do not mis understand, yelling and screaming is a leadership tool, that should not be used unless Absolutely Necessary!
yet so many leaders feel this is the first tool out of the tool box
that this is how they should lead,
they would be wrong,
a good leader listens, talks calmly & thinks, before he or she Speaks or acts
they ask questions especially if his or her personal is not acting normally, they will Takes a Few Sec before he or she speaks, ask or finds out what is going on at home or work,
it is best not to allow there emotion's to effect there Choices or Decisions .
this was what my Chiefs mess taught me, when they were mentoring & Leading me
they pushed me to become better Sailor, Shipmate, and leader, not allow my anger or emotions to take me down a bad path.
I was very Lucky that I had outstanding Chief and Chiefs mess to Mentor and teach me on how to become a better Leader & person.
I learned the best Leaders, were taught to follow, before they became the leaders that they were today.
no one is a natural born leader, we are taught by are superiors , we watch listen and put certain leadership skills and Styles in are tool box, we also learn what type of leadership skills and tools not to keep or use
we take the leadership styles & Tools we like and make them ours in order to become a better leaders, we also learn on what type of leadership tools & Styles not to use or make are own.
I do not want anyone to think I was not held accountable, I was held accountable for my actions just not on paper, you would not find my Sins or punishments in my personal jacket. this was done for Those Junior Personal, the Chiefs mess and CO believed was worth saving.
I remember after I Had agreed to the after hours work, for the Chiefs , instead of a captains mast, wondering if I made a mistake, LOL.
Looking back , I do not regret allowing the senior enlisted personal handle my punishment' I truly know they helped me Become a better person and Leader.
There was a couple of times I believed I was justified, getting in a screaming match with my Superiors.
I was Wrong every time!,
the 1st time was over what I Believed was a Safety Violations, putting Military Personal at unnecessarily Risk of being Seriously Injured or Killed.
I was correct about my Concerns, but learned Yelling at my Superiors was not the correct way to handle this situation.
my Chief was correct, screaming at anyone is the wrong approach in most cases
the Second time happen with a E-7 that I had a Personality Conflict With , from the day I reported on Board , I even asked him why he hated me so much, or what did I do to make him hate me? found out it was not hate.
but control, he felt he could not control or Intimidate me, because I did not fear him, weird Right?
I did my job and what I was Told to do,
yet it was never good enough for him, so I stopped worrying or caring about his concerns, I just did my Job and this angered him even more.
we got into a big screaming match after I had fell 30ft & while I was on what I thought was medical
Leave.
while I was on Leave, on a hunting Trip, I fell 30 plus feet and Broke my back in Multiple areas, I shattered my (L-1,) (L-2) (T-11) (T-12) ALONG WITH (C-1) (C-2) & others, I had no feeling from my waist down, could not walk for the 1st 6 weeks, after the Swelling went down I was able to start walking again I am in Constant Pain from my fall
after I had contacted my Station , I Thought I was put on medical Leave.
I made the Mistake of believing this E-7 would do his job, and take me off of leave & put me on medical Leave after I had called him & the Red Cross, as per his orders.
I was also ordered to call & informed the command of the seriousness of my injuries, and to call him at least once a day
as I was Recovering from my Injuries, I called him and the XO Daily to keep them informed of my situation.
My E-7 Keep demanding I Leave the Hospital & return to my duty station , every time I called.
he never asked me how I was doing during my recovery,
he just wanted me back on watch,
I informed him I could not walk, he demanded to speak to the doctor, I informed him the doctor was not with me, but I would ask him to call him , this E-7 just slammed the phone down.
I called him the next day as per his orders, he told me he knew I could walk,
this was news to me, because at that time I could
this E-7 then told me that I was not hurt and was faking this injury, I was left speechless,
after he yelled at me to speak, and to explain myself to him
to defend myself,
I took a few sec & told him you give me to much credit, Chief
so I am in a hospital, and you are telling me the Doctor, nurse, Surgeon & the Hospital staff the CEO of the Hospital were all working with me to just to fool you and the Military , so I can stiff them with t a high medical bill
just so I could take time off, from my Leave!
I Said Chie, f why would I fake a injury so serious and Easley disproven, with a simple X-Ray?
Why would I fake a injury while on leave?
mind you up until this accident I had only missed one day of work due to the Flu in 10 years of military service.
after 6 mo of being in the hospital and Physical Therapy , I was able to travel back to my duty Station, I was happy to get home, I though I was still on Medical leave , the Anger in this E-7 Face when he seen that I was seriously Injured & still in a body cast, was just Astonishing,
the E-7 never Once asked how I was doing?
how was the recovery going?
it was all anger and hate , his First question was can you stand a watch ?
the CO was with him, and Looked at the E-7 & told him I could not return to duty due to the fact I was still in a body cast.
she stated this as I was standing in front of them in a body cast from the waste up ,
I just stood there not knowing what to say, before you ask, no he was not kidding .
I picked up my mail, looked at my paper work and flew into a rage , remember I am still heavily medicated for the pain ,
when I seen that this E-7 did not put me on Medical leave, that he was still charging me Reg Leave, that he had went though my 60 days of saved leave, and put me in the hole for 120 days
I went straight to anger and started yelling at him, sadly I was not Thinking I was allowing my emotions to control me, this was the straw that broke my back, see what I Did there,
due to all the bullshit he had put me though, since before I was injured, and during my injure I was Screaming & yelling at him in front of everyone.
let me be clear, this was the wrong way for me to handle this situation.
but I was not thinking, I was angry, and making bad decisions
all because I was allowing my anger to control me.
Sadly how I reacted in front of the command was not the right thing to do
How was the CO going to be able to hold him accountable for his purposeful Evil actions, with me yelling at him in front of the CO, the Crew & God he was smiling as I was freaking out and yelling.
I put the CO in a bad spot, she could not hold him accountable for his actions without holding me accountable for my actions, do not misunderstand the XO Fixed the E-7 purposeful EVIL Act! I had all my leave restored.
sadly to my Knowledge this E-7 that should not have been a E-7 was not held accountable, to the best of my Knowledge,
this does not mean the E-7 was not held accountable, the command might have held him accountable behind close doors, I will never know.
when the CO did a Investigation on his actions, she found out he had been charging every junior personal reg leave when it should have been medical leave .
How evil is this E-7, to charge junior personal reg Leave when it a medical situation , and should be charged as medical leave!
most of my Superiors always gave me a 2nd Chance, they Mentor & worked with me, and I thank them for it.
do not mis-understand, I never made the same mistake twice, yet when I did screw up, for some reason My senior Enlisted and Command must have seen something worth saving in me.
I thank them for there kindness and leadership everyday.
during my early years in the Military, I was a Angry young man, hard working but hot headed, My Senior leadership , seen this & took it upon themselves to mentor me & help me grow up.
taught me how to control my emotions, not to let my Emotions control me.
My Chiefs Taught & showed me how every single person, over 99.7% of the time will make a bad Choice or Decision when Angry or Upset.
(FYI) I made this 99.7% number up,) do not use it as fact! Yet I believe it is awfully close to being correct.
MY Senior Leadership Taught and showed me how almost every one will make a bad choices or Decisions when they are upset, angry or Frustrated, very few will make the right Choice or Decision when upset or angry .
this is why it is best to take a few sec,
take a few deep Breaths,
to count to ten before you speak,
allow yourself a sec to get all the information,
get your thoughts together before you speak or make a decision.
Sadly & speaking only for myself, I believe me and so many others are not taught this as a child,
I have Often Wondered if my father had lived would he have taken the time to mentor and teach me these basic life skills ? this I will never know. I do know so many young men are raised by single mothers, just as I was, when we need both a Mother and father to love, teach and mentor there children
any way
every Future Military Leader should be taught that no one likes to be yelled at, or screamed at, every single person will turn there ears off, ie: not listen
no one is Listening or Hearing anything that is being said, when they are being yelled at.
Good leaders very Rarely Raise there voices let alone, Scream at someone.
do not mis understand, yelling and screaming is a leadership tool, that should not be used unless Absolutely Necessary!
yet so many leaders feel this is the first tool out of the tool box
that this is how they should lead,
they would be wrong,
a good leader listens, talks calmly & thinks, before he or she Speaks or acts
they ask questions especially if his or her personal is not acting normally, they will Takes a Few Sec before he or she speaks, ask or finds out what is going on at home or work,
it is best not to allow there emotion's to effect there Choices or Decisions .
this was what my Chiefs mess taught me, when they were mentoring & Leading me
they pushed me to become better Sailor, Shipmate, and leader, not allow my anger or emotions to take me down a bad path.
I was very Lucky that I had outstanding Chief and Chiefs mess to Mentor and teach me on how to become a better Leader & person.
I learned the best Leaders, were taught to follow, before they became the leaders that they were today.
no one is a natural born leader, we are taught by are superiors , we watch listen and put certain leadership skills and Styles in are tool box, we also learn what type of leadership skills and tools not to keep or use
we take the leadership styles & Tools we like and make them ours in order to become a better leaders, we also learn on what type of leadership tools & Styles not to use or make are own.
I do not want anyone to think I was not held accountable, I was held accountable for my actions just not on paper, you would not find my Sins or punishments in my personal jacket. this was done for Those Junior Personal, the Chiefs mess and CO believed was worth saving.
I remember after I Had agreed to the after hours work, for the Chiefs , instead of a captains mast, wondering if I made a mistake, LOL.
Looking back , I do not regret allowing the senior enlisted personal handle my punishment' I truly know they helped me Become a better person and Leader.
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Sounds lime a real garbage NCO that shouldnt have their authority as its comete obvious this person is way to immature and spiteful to use their position to harm you due to ego and feelings. Your "leader" if I was in charge wouldnt have anything left on its collar
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All the time. Most with stupid lifers, all know the type. Told my CAPT to F off in front of his peers. On reforger and asked us in an 88, a PC and a deuce to stay put. After 2 1/2 days we moved on asking other units on the way were could be. Had to bum fuel, drive unescorted on the autobahn finding 70 miles away. When arrived had sent out a search team because forgot location. Not a single word in the officer’s tent when chewed him out either. Real stories from the highway patrol
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Oh my, how military has changed since the 1980's........ I can't even imagine being in a screaming match with a superior. I have no advice because in my day, that never happened. A difference of opinion or even an unclear order certainly a conversation [short conversation] can be had tactfully, but never a screaming or even a laud tone would have been tolerated.
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SPC Jon Parniawski
I don't know what unit you were lucky enough to be in during the 80's that you never saw it. We had a name for it - 'wall to wall counseling' lol
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We were at North Fort Lewis getting ready to go to Kuwait but we weren't aware of it. We were given a weekend pass to go home. One of my NCOs decided to play a trick on me by saying I was gonna be stuck doing CQ watch while everyone else got to go. He then walked away, leaving me to soak in my anger and start to unpack. One NCO who was my ride home asked me what's wrong and I told him, getting angrier. The original NCO came back and said it was a joke and I went ape on him, yelling my lungs out and crying. My senior NCO pulled us into his sideroom and calmed me down but I was still pissed. Don't pull a joke like that and just walk away for several minutes on a young troop.
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Unfortunately yes. The end of last year. After Christmas lock leave, I rolled into the New Year with an Article 15. I am a 40 year old woman with 4 kids, AD husband and was a cop for a long ass time before I got to Active Duty Recruiting. I know how to act and what the consequences are. The individual in question got caught lying. Naturally , I interrogated him. The Captain, didn’t much appreciate being interrogated by an E5. I got Article 89, Disrespect to a Superior Officer. Now, the interrogation ended in a full on “You lying Son of a B…” amongst other things… Once the AR 15 made its way to Brigade, it got squashed. I was not charged with anything. Recruiting sucks, career ender. Don’t volunteer unless your going for retirement.
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There I was.....knee deep in SF-86's for Iraqi local nationals (no shit, such an insightful cultural experience!) I was an E-5, my dipshit 1SG didn't plan effectively, so the HQ platoon (which I was in at the time) had been placed on this whacktarded rotating guard shift schedule, where between whatever other missions MNCF-I came up with we had twelve hours off between 6 hour shifts then another 6 hour shift. Completely fucked up our sleep schedules with no way to get them normalized. We were doing missions and getting mortared every other night and this fucking idiot couldn't draft a DA-6. We even pointed out that by making a couple of schedule swaps, we could all get 48 hours of planned regularity (explosions and shit notwithstanding). He refused to make the change. The straw on the gamal's back was when right after coming off shift, I was told the HQ platoon had to clean out a bunch of hooches he hadn't inspected before a unit left. I made my opinions known and the fucker hit me with a broom head. Another E-5 jumped in-between us before I could swing on him. Nothing happened to him that I know of, but I got an apology from the BDE CSM and I got sent to the TOC for 4 months before going back out for missions. Moral to the story: You will always have morons for "leadership" at some point or another. Do the legal thing in the face of bullshit and you'll be okay (eventually).
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It use to help by gong through the Red Cross. Your family could contact them and they would contact your command and help get flights etc if needed. First thing I learned never ever lay hands on anyone. Chain of command. If your superiors allready authorized the absence the I would ahve gone over his head.
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Never had a shouting match at any job in the service or out. I have, however, had a lot of altercations and people scream at me though. Boot camp drill instructor screaming excepted, mostly in the civilian sectors, so I have lots of stories. In every case, I left soon after. Since I never raise my voice, that's one thing I will never tolerate. That goes double from a female.
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