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Hell yes. I joined as an infantryman when i was 18. I didnt have alot of confidence in myself so I was always slow to do things because I was afraid of messing them up. Being as the first unit I got to was getting ready for a deployment, my first couple squad leaders didnt want me on their team. I was moved around a bit. I was actually finally made a bradley driver and I was pretty upset because it was basically a position that i thought they were putting me in because I was useless. My team leader, the gunner, was pretty well liked and everybody was giving him a hard time about being stuck with me so he was upset about the situation as well because everyone was sure I was going to be a shitbag. Because of this, he was very short with me and I was very non compliant. My first squad leader was a big, former, olynpic boxer so I never mouthed off to him. My second squad leader was also big and pretty intimidating older guy so i kept my mouth shut. The team leader I ended up with though was smaller than me and only a couple years older and the section leader was so chill I didnt really get intimidated by them. So when I kept mouthing off to my team leader, he eventually taught me to respect him the old fashioned way. He kicked my ass pretty good several times. I actually ended up maturing in that unit and on that deployment. I found confidence in myself and made it in the Army for another 7 years after that. Im still very close with most of that unit actually. I imagine clashing with supervisors is a pretty common occurrence in the Army as they accept alot of people that were like me....young, dumb, and inexperienced
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MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan
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Didn't turn into yelling, but there was an incident when I was providing information to a LtCol over the phone and attempted to give him some info that would aid him in his conversation with an aircrew some 2000 miles away, but he said he didn't need any further information than i had already given him and hung up. Not 5 minutes later he walked into the work area and asked for the exact same info I had attempted to give him over the phone. I POLITELY informed him as to how he had wasted both his time and mine as this was the info I had attempted to give him over the phone as I was by then in the middle of another time sensitive task. He was unhappy with my "attitude", so we talked to my CO, I went back to what I was in the middle of, and that was that. End of story.
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PO1 Todd B.
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As far as I am concerned, ANY superior that "screams" at a subordinate, should NOT be in a position of power or leadership. Being angry is one thing. Full on screaming rage yelling, is a whole other thing.

A good leader does NOT HAVE to yell, scream, wave their arms, jump up and down with neck veins bulging. Their tone, voice level and eye contact are all that should be needed to make the message clear when someone fucks up.. Conversely, the same when someone does good.

So for me, anyone that is in a leadership position that acts like that, should be removed from that position. PERIOD.
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SSG Michael Vance
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Actually I was on a couple of occasions, I had a supervisor at Ft McClellan that pleaded with me that if I felt the need to stand and scream on anyone's desk to come and do it on his. Come to think of it there were a couple of them that made that request but always after some type of unfortunate incident
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CPT Lawrence Cichelli
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Sorry about your daughter, my condolences! Several things wrong about the NCO, for this it's a Red Cross message to grant you emergency leave, this was approved by people way above your NCO. Also an NCO can't give a Soldier an Article 15 it must be a Commissioned officer that is the Soldier's Commander. Even as an E-8 Commander, I did have have the authority to do that, yes I did sign an Assumption of Command order. He did retaliate against you and you should have reported that to the 1SG/CDR. You did mess by laying hands on him first, but it seems things took care of themselves.
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MSG Senior Military Science Instructor
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I have never personally gotten into a screaming match with anyone senior or subordinates. If I did escalate my voice it was justified so it was a one way conversation (Soldier caught by the MP's doing donuts in a gravel parking lot when he was supposed to be at the motorpool). Everything is not emotional event. Unless there is a danger of life, limb, or eyesight it should not get to that point. I think it's called military bearing, a word we throw around alot but only use it when its convenient. There's no on and off switch for bearing and it pertains to everyone, all the time.
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Sgt Leonard Lamb
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My buddy decked a lieutenant.. got a general discharge.. that was back in the American War on Vietnam days..
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LCDR Mike Morrissey
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Four times in my career. A Navy Commander, two Navy Captains, and one Admiral. In none of those cases have I regretted the high energy confrontation. But, as an officer, not an enlisted. Big!! Difference. One thing I never did was curse or personally insult the other (except in another situation). If I couldn't defend the action at a court-martial, I stood down. I was a senior member of an admin discharge board for an E-6 who decked a senior (just one punch) for insulting his wife. I thought the E-6 was rather restrained at the time. We threw out the charge much to the chagrin of a subordinate command. We actually sent the proceedings to the other guy's command for conduct issues. At a meal in an officers mess aboard ship, a Commander made a degrading comment to a junior, Though I was a Lt Cdr, I said "you are an a..h..le." The table went quiet for a short time. Then picked up. I never heard a word after.
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Sgt Ed Allen
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Sadly, yes.
In my case it was a 1st LT and I was a SGT (E5 for you non-Marines). A little background.
I was fulfilling a SSGT/GYSGT (E6/7) billet as a SGT. The SSGT who was in that position before me was fired by the LT for lack of military bearing, not completing an assignment and lack of integrity. In other words, he stank, didn't wash his utility uniforms, shine his boots or iron his uniforms. He was given an assignment and was 8 months behind on a 10 month project that was due in 2 months. He, of course kept that information hidden until that point. The assignment fell to myself and another SGT. We completed the 10 month project in 6 weeks, including all documentation.

After that time, I was passed over for promotion to SSGT for the first time (Another story involving politics and officers not following regulation) and the LT was transferred

The LT who replaced him was a washout from flight school. Had already pinned on his silver bars but still did not have an MOS and had joined the Marines because he had a business degree and had been fired as manager at a grocery store.
When he joined our unit, we were preparing for a field exercise plans for computer support were being laid out for multiple sites. 3 marines for 20 computers at LZ Bluebird on Camp LeJuene, 1 marine for 1 computer at Bogue Field Aux Landing Field, and so on, with 1 marine assigned to sites with 2 or fewer computers.
As with most things, timing is everything.
The new LT showed up and started rearranging things. Suddenly, 2 marines supporting 1 computer and only 1 marine, me, supporting the 20 computers at LZ Bluebird. Which included training 30 marines for the secure messaging system.
Throw into the mix, I had just gotten passed over for SSGT again. They promoted 43 of 45 marines in the zone. The only SGT senior to me had been UA for the last 6 or 7 years. I was coming up on 9 years and the Marines had implemented an E6 by 12 or out.
Needless to say, my attitude could use some adjustment and I was a bit surly.

While at LZ Blue Bird, about 90 minutes into performing training for the 30 non-rates (E1 - E3) who would be using the new computer systems, in walked the new LT. He was interested in seeing what was being taught. At this point, I had them marines back up to the beginning of the current session (about 5 minutes x 30 people). However, the LT wanted the class to start at the beginning. 90 minutes x 30 persons.
At this point, my anger got the better of me. I wheeled around on the LT and proceeded to inform him that he was an absolute idiot, had no business leading men, was lacking in any common sense, had dismal decision making ability and that his lineage was in question. I followed this 5 minute chew out by telling him to get his fornicating derriere out of my sight and not to return.
The LT then left the field. Went home and I didn't see him again for 3 days.

The side note on this is that there were 3 other Marines in the tent as I did this. A MGYSGT (from 2nd Marine Air Wing G3), a Major (2dMAW G4) and a Colonel (the 2d MAW G1).
All that was said to me by the Major was "That's not how you should have handled that, but we understand".
At this point, I was just waiting for the write up for disrespecting an officer, conduct unbecoming and NCO and a few other charges. It was my good fortune that the LT was too stupid to understand what was done.

Final result: I decided not to reenlist as I would have to server at least another year under this LT (guaranteed court martial if I stayed that long) and got out 2 months later. The LT ended up getting a white letter from the Commandant of the Marine Corps ordering him to resign his commission upon completion of 4 years of active duty, and I learned how to be a civilian.

There were other events with that particular LT. But, thankfully, he was too much of an idiot or he was actually learning something.
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1stSgt Jeff Blovat
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There are 2 types of respect. The respect troops give our rank. Most importantly it’s the respect our troops give us. We all have growing pains as a NCO. I’ve been there.
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