Posted on Mar 10, 2014
SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
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Why is it that when a senior NCO royally screws up they get a slap on the wrist by being demoted 1 rank for 6 months and then get their rank back. This type of toxic NCO is allowed to continue their service when they should of been kicked out for the incident in question. Has anyone else come across  similar situations where an NCO should of been removed from service but was not?
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SSG Laureano Pabon
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SPC S, when I read your thread I can see that your distracted by this one NCO, whom seems to be different then the rest.

The word Toxic was not a word used in my time, we defined these kinds as A Hole if you know what I mean. interesting part is that I too was an NCO but I was also a SPC, and yes I had one of them as well. For me, I had to do allot or research on my own, but I was also not going to allow him to distract me from my service in the U.S Army.

I took my distraction by getting involved in a hobby (photography), when it came to knowing my job, (MOS), he told everyone I didn't my job, but when the SQT came out I ranked 2nd highest over all. So much for me not knowing my job, I got a unit transfer from his presence and after spending 1.5 years with him, I can say I learned allot, I learned never to be like him, never invalidate your subordinates, never call any human male or female by a racists name, never select one race to join your religion just because they are that race. Its when I got the unit transfer that his rumors followed, but again I didn't pay any attention. I only focused on my job, my hobby and my job again. In the last unit I got transfer too, where my last 6 months in Germany. What happened? I earned 2 Army commendation medals, 1 Army achievement, best communication man of the year award, sent to the promotion board for E-5.  All that in 6 months alone. I worked for all of it though by becoming the battalion Photographer so I worked longer then the rest doing what I loved doing in addition to my MOS. Now when I was an NCO, I looked after my own, because I knew what it was like to be all the lower ranks, so I can only say one thing. If you can't get a unit transfer then see if you can get help from other NCO's in your unit to be able to guild you, as for the toxic NCO if he is really toxic, someone already knows about him.

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SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
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SSG, I actually have an E6 that helps me a lot that also knows about the specific incident. I value NCO's who go above and beyond to help out lower enlisted.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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What did this senior NCO do that led to his demotion? It's not very often that you see a SNCO demoted.
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SFC Brian Whisenant
SFC Brian Whisenant
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And even more rare to see a senior NCO (SFC and up) get the rank back in 6 months. Maybe SPC Stewart means a SSG?
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SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
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No he was an E7 and got demoted to E6 for 6 months
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SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
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I can't openly discuss the incident Sir but a more severe punishment was warranted
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CW3 Kevin Storm
CW3 Kevin Storm
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CSM William Breeding - I am right there with you CSM, and I have never heard of a busted NCO staying in the unit. Generally they are shipped out short order.
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Edited 11 y ago

I am under the impression it takes a Court Marshal to demote a SNCO.  Sounds like they suspended his rank and if he slipped up again during the suspension then they would take action to reduce his rank.  That's probably in his records now and its most likely going to be a career killer.  This has happened to a few people in my company (although not SNCO's) and they can't re-enlist now.  I'm positive someone will chime in and have a book answer for that.

Yes, I myself have been around a very toxic SNCO.  I couldn't tell you how much of his situation was "swept under the rug" as I had no concern with it after the fact.  It could be in his records.  I do know that he is still the same grade, and acts like nothing ever happened.

Sorry you are having a bad experience.  Learn from it and become a better leader because of it!

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SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
SPC(P) Nathan Stewart
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I just drink water and drive on, nothing I can do about the situation other than avoid the SNCO as much as possible
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