Posted on Jun 14, 2017
"Has anyone recently attended the RTS-M at McCoy?
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I just printed their schoolhouse sheet off ATRRS and it appears to not be the gentlemen's course I expected it to be. One of the things I noticed was a 'no alcohol' policy, which generally accompanies a locked down environment. Can anyone verify or disprove that you are not allowed to leave post or if in fact they have very strict regulations? Most of the stories I hear from ALC sites were about a pretty laid back structure with mostly student led projects and self-policing.
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Most NCOPDS schoolhouses have a "no alcohol" policy. You'll get counseled on it upon inprocessing. It probably won't be a lockdown environment, but they still want you to focus on the course work rather than drinking at the bars. It's not a very long course, it's easier for the school and the students to just lay off it while you're there IOT avoid any inevitable issues.
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SFC (Join to see)
Right, I definitely understand that. I would like to go out for a burger and brew occasionally to decompress, I can't stand going to bars anyway.
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You're going to ALC in an attempt to further your career and you're biggest concern is "can I drink"?
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SGT Scott Henderson
I never said or suggested he not enjoy an occasional drink off post. You can't miss what you can't measure. However, as someone else posted this is the question that he felt strongest about getting an answer to. More than likely it's a "no alcohol in the barracks" policy. As for being selected; if anyone selected him it was probably DA if he's got enough TIS/TIG.
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CW3 (Join to see)
SGT Scott Henderson The comment about him feeling most strongly about drinking was your comment. And maybe I misinterpreted what you meant by "Put the f*cking bottle down for two months". That seems kind of like you're saying for him not to drink, and that he should feel marginalized for even asking the question. I'm not really interested in the policy, or the selection process to attend NCOES as I'm more than familiar with it. I was only speaking on the amount of negative judgement that your peer received for posting a question. There is a possibility that he didn't ask any other questions because he simply has none. I attended the same ALC at a different location and I knew what I needed to do to be successful and exceed the course standards well before I reported for training. If he's received the welcome letter from his SGL, he likely already has the syllabus and grading criteria for the course, as well as where and when to report along with any point of contact information necessary. Not really too much to have to worry about beyond that.
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SGT Scott Henderson
Someone else posted a similar response to the fact that this was his only question. If he's received a welcome packet from his SGL with contract info wouldn't his SGL be the person to talk to about school house policies? This makes me think that A) he hasn't received one or B) deductive training isn't a strong suit. Either way if he wants to have a drink simply go off post to a bar/club/restaurant and have a drink. Sorry I'm not sorry for the possibility of making him feel at all marginalized for asking a dumb question (yes, there is such a thing).
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"Does ALC at Ft McCoy have a 'no alcohol' policy?"
Commanders change, incidents happen daily that influence policy tomorrow,, so no matter what you are told by someone here as it was "when they went" it matters not,,,, what does the school house publish NOW, what does the school House issue for directives when you in process.
The only answer that matters is two fold.
What does ATTRS say for that school?.. That is your planning research.
Second, what are you told when you get there, That is your confirmation info.
Get prepped using your planning info, complete the task with your confirmation info.
Commanders change, incidents happen daily that influence policy tomorrow,, so no matter what you are told by someone here as it was "when they went" it matters not,,,, what does the school house publish NOW, what does the school House issue for directives when you in process.
The only answer that matters is two fold.
What does ATTRS say for that school?.. That is your planning research.
Second, what are you told when you get there, That is your confirmation info.
Get prepped using your planning info, complete the task with your confirmation info.
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regardless we are professional NCOs so policy or not we are to be an example to junior enlisted. we loose to many soldiers and civilians to drinking issues.
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SFC (Join to see)
I agree, but a beer with dinner as a responsible adult and professional NCO shouldn't be an issue.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC (Join to see) - " shouldn't be an issue."
Operative word is "shouldn't " Reality and history indicates is is, thus a blanket policy that allows for more consistent success overall.
Yes, punishing current Sm for the misdeeds of the past.
But if you consider the big picture..the goal is education and the SM returning to the unit to be an asset to that units mission, neither of which will happen if there is an alcohol related incident from late for formation, to missing movement, DUI, hospitalization>
Couple all that with a an existing policy of no alcohol while in most other training events as a unit, all deployments be it NTC or Iraq and may other situations.. applying the same justification to an individual short term "training event" like ALC is not unprecedented or supported with justification of past issues that are not mitigated with a passing of time.
Operative word is "shouldn't " Reality and history indicates is is, thus a blanket policy that allows for more consistent success overall.
Yes, punishing current Sm for the misdeeds of the past.
But if you consider the big picture..the goal is education and the SM returning to the unit to be an asset to that units mission, neither of which will happen if there is an alcohol related incident from late for formation, to missing movement, DUI, hospitalization>
Couple all that with a an existing policy of no alcohol while in most other training events as a unit, all deployments be it NTC or Iraq and may other situations.. applying the same justification to an individual short term "training event" like ALC is not unprecedented or supported with justification of past issues that are not mitigated with a passing of time.
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If you are going to McCoy there is not much chance to drink anyway. One sports type bar on post so they will know because most likely they will have people there as well. Only two small towns outside, Tomha and Sparta. I attended ALC at Ft. Lee, don't remember if they had such a policy but because of all of the AIT trainees, they expected you to maintain a high level of discipline. I was in one of the first classes for Lima that had split Reserve/Active instructors.
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TRADOC has deemed a "NO ALCOHOL" policy for all students in training, regardless of school and rank. At least, that was the policy counseling statement I signed when I went to ALC Phases 2 and 3 down at FT Sam.
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It's funny when you go to an AA meeting like I went to one in Fort Lewis in 2009 period I have broken my ankle in combatives while sober and Afghanistan and was met evact to Madigan Army Medical Center where I spent two months with a woman warrior transition battalion mending a broken ankle. My wife is into AA and so am I. I went because I was bored to an AA meeting held at the time it was still McChord Air Force Base. Much to my surprise, I saw a master sergeant command directed to the AA meeting. I don't know what his offences were but it was his last chance. I also found out that the environment of the soldiers on Fort Lewis especially the high speed units was of excessive drinking between missions. I also was there to see a female E5 Air Force very attractive who was kicked out of the Air Force for getting one or two DUIs and having a bottle of wine in the morning to wake up. I haven't had a drink in 12 years and I've never had a DUI but I did used to be enough for ternity and drink a lot when I was in college. You never know about alcohol creeping up and taking over your life like those people that I saw at the AA meeting some lost their career over it period I am talking to you as a human being and not as a major. You should not give a crap about drinking alcohol when you're at a service School. I remember that right before I deployed to Iraq in 2004 that the command sergeant major was giving out one can of beer per Soldier. You Should do your best to not drink at all. My sister committed suicide due to a combination of drinking painkillers depression and the pending divorce. When alcohol comes to mind I think of her. Do your best not to drink and and my book there is no such thing as the Army's course of responsible drinking LOL.http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/orangecounty/obituary.aspx?n=&pid=175315548&referrer=0&preview=True
ROSE LORETTA CONWAY's Obituary on Orange County Register
Read the Obituary and view the Guest Book, leave condolences or send flowers. | Conway, Rose Loretta 9/20/1965 - 7/4/2015 I am sad to announce the sudden passing of Rose Loretta Conway. Loretta was born in Los Angeles. She was raised in Whittier and La Palma, CA. Loretta
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