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Posted 8 y ago
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Are we wasting time and resources with what we offer for our Non Commissioned Officers?
For training it is said it should be "Tough, Realistic and challenging" to be considered worthwhile.
Here are the thoughts of three NCO's in Senior Leaders Course, Fort Benning TODAY.
"Dude, Im here for this crap right now.. regardless of what anyone tells you, there's no hard tests, nobody fails, and your off at 1300 every day.. complete waist of time."
"What a waste, taught noting, learned nothing, and no thinking required"
"Stupid, the instructors teaching us are barely literate and teaching us "writing" what a joke."
Officers go to schools and are taught by professors and credentialed folks,,leaving with certifications ,degrees and titles.
NCO's leave schooling with credit cards maxed out from clubbing and free time.
For training it is said it should be "Tough, Realistic and challenging" to be considered worthwhile.
Here are the thoughts of three NCO's in Senior Leaders Course, Fort Benning TODAY.
"Dude, Im here for this crap right now.. regardless of what anyone tells you, there's no hard tests, nobody fails, and your off at 1300 every day.. complete waist of time."
"What a waste, taught noting, learned nothing, and no thinking required"
"Stupid, the instructors teaching us are barely literate and teaching us "writing" what a joke."
Officers go to schools and are taught by professors and credentialed folks,,leaving with certifications ,degrees and titles.
NCO's leave schooling with credit cards maxed out from clubbing and free time.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC(P) (Anonymous) - Are speaking about the 68V IET course or one of the NCOES schools this thread is about?
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC(P) (Anonymous) - Right thats what i though.. Point is, I was not talking about IET..
But the follow on NCOES
Of the follow on NCOES for MOS 68V, SLC, ALC what are your observations?
But the follow on NCOES
Of the follow on NCOES for MOS 68V, SLC, ALC what are your observations?
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SFC Andrew Miller
I can't speak for all of the courses, but from what I experienced at Fort Gordon back in the 90s and early 00s was not a waste of time. There will always be components of the training you or someone else doesn't need because they live it everyday. We received professional training on tactical communication systems as well as COTS automation systems. I did attend PLDC, BNCOC and ANCOC before the switch to WLC, SLC, and ALC so we didn't have blended phases of distance/online and schoolhouse training.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC (Anonymous) - your not wrong but it's not a complet concept.
While you'll only get out of it what you put into it there must be something worthy credentialed to put something into
If you're presented with a course that has mediocre content basic structure low standards or no requirements to uphold standards and requirements so low that it's not challenging you can put into it everything you have and come out no better for it
While you'll only get out of it what you put into it there must be something worthy credentialed to put something into
If you're presented with a course that has mediocre content basic structure low standards or no requirements to uphold standards and requirements so low that it's not challenging you can put into it everything you have and come out no better for it
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I believe we are missing the mark. The first problem is we 'select' NCOs as instructors and send the to a short course and now they're capable to teach? Last time I checked in order to be a certified teacher you need a Bachelor's degree and at least a couple of semesters of student teaching. Our instructors are set up for failure from the start. Also, the requirements to get accepted into the teaching program were not overly difficult, but stringent with a lot of people not getting in (from my experiences in college anyway.
The curriculum notwithstanding, there is a lot of wasted time in the Army professional education classes (this goes for the Officer side as well). Things could be sped up if they wanted to be, but that would mean that not everyone would pass. So I think the real question is, what is the point of the courses? Is it to actually teach our soldiers something, or it is just a check the block like "sure, we 'professionally develop' our soldiers?"
The curriculum notwithstanding, there is a lot of wasted time in the Army professional education classes (this goes for the Officer side as well). Things could be sped up if they wanted to be, but that would mean that not everyone would pass. So I think the real question is, what is the point of the courses? Is it to actually teach our soldiers something, or it is just a check the block like "sure, we 'professionally develop' our soldiers?"
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No, we did not miss the mark we have forgotten how to teach. The years of war have made wanting to learn difficult due basic leadership skills have diminished and our leadership does not know where to begin
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SGM Erik Marquez
Gunny, Who is they though?
If you mean CPL, SGT, SSG, Yes I agree.
But Im looking at the big picture.. DOD, Secretary of Defense, Service chiefs...they are the ones not forcing a NCOES worthy of attending.. Of working the deals with accredited collages and filling the schools houses with credentialed teachers so you at least gain collage credit, if not a degree from attending.
a Senior NCO can attend a year long Sergeants Major Residency course and unless they take extra collage courses on their "free" time while there, they will have no civilian education accomplishment to show for it.
We send a SFC to school for several months, and they MIGHT be able to get an elective credit out of it from a school that accepts the course. If we are going to help them learn to write, lets put a accredited teacher there, write the course material in agreement/ association to an accredited collage, and get that NCO credits for taking a collage level English or writing course.
If you mean CPL, SGT, SSG, Yes I agree.
But Im looking at the big picture.. DOD, Secretary of Defense, Service chiefs...they are the ones not forcing a NCOES worthy of attending.. Of working the deals with accredited collages and filling the schools houses with credentialed teachers so you at least gain collage credit, if not a degree from attending.
a Senior NCO can attend a year long Sergeants Major Residency course and unless they take extra collage courses on their "free" time while there, they will have no civilian education accomplishment to show for it.
We send a SFC to school for several months, and they MIGHT be able to get an elective credit out of it from a school that accepts the course. If we are going to help them learn to write, lets put a accredited teacher there, write the course material in agreement/ association to an accredited collage, and get that NCO credits for taking a collage level English or writing course.
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