Posted on Jun 24, 2019
Hiding service from employer due to affirmative action?
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Hey, y'all. Ive got a problem. I recently applied at an international company for an armed security position here in the states. They set up an interview for tomorrow, and said to bring all my DD214s. The issue is, I never disclosed any of my previous affiliation with the military. It wouldn't be a problem since I was only ARNG, that's easy to hide. But I have 3 deployments, and 4 DD214s on my record. This company is an affirmative action employer, and aside from my hatred for my "service", I don't want to end up getting hired just because of a law that requires it based off my part time employment with the state, and fed government. They're going to do a thorough background check, so they would find out anyway, but at that point its up to them whether to hire me or not, instead of some law requiring it. It seems though they've already found out. Even though I answered no on all the vet and military questions.
How do I politely admit to them I am "prior service" (even though I was just NG), while at the same time declining to make that a part of my resume, and not come off as shady? Should I email them back today telling them so? I've never had a problem before because the employers just did a very basic check if any. I really want this job, but I only want it if I'm hired for being me not because of an 8 year mistake I made after high school.
Do I confess to it, or just keep hiding it?
Thanks.
How do I politely admit to them I am "prior service" (even though I was just NG), while at the same time declining to make that a part of my resume, and not come off as shady? Should I email them back today telling them so? I've never had a problem before because the employers just did a very basic check if any. I really want this job, but I only want it if I'm hired for being me not because of an 8 year mistake I made after high school.
Do I confess to it, or just keep hiding it?
Thanks.
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Responses: 179
I fail to understand why a person applying for an armed security position within the US would not list service in the NG. I also wonder about the DD-214. When I left the NG I did not receive a DD-214. When I left AD after attending the FAOAC for nine months, I did not receive a DD-214. I did receive a "substitute for a DD 224.' You sound much too young to think that the NG does nothing on drill weekends but drink beer and BS. I don't think your prospective employer would think that either.
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I'm confused. 1. You applied for this position, Do you want it or not? 2. You're on a military/veteran site but you hate your service?
How about you don't take the 214s. If they still offer you the job tell them your hatred of the service and prefer to decline if you are being offer the job because you're a veteran.
How about you don't take the 214s. If they still offer you the job tell them your hatred of the service and prefer to decline if you are being offer the job because you're a veteran.
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Are you serious? Serving your country is a mistake? You did something good for yourself right out of high school. Please, think about it. Do not be embarrassed or feel shame for military service. You should be proud. And, from my experience, they are not trying to fill an affirmative action quota. They are trying to fill positions with the best qualified applicants. Being former military makes you the best qualified, and you should be proud of that...the military made you a best qualified applicant. Hold your head up high.
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You probably have already been denied any further processing of your application. If they do a thorough back ground investigation, they will find your military service. And since you said you didn't have any, you lied on the application for employment. That will stop you from getting the job.
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Wow, this is just weird and yes it is shady not to disclose your professional work history, which includes military. Your disgust with your choice to join the military and disdain with affirmative action efforts comes off as irrational and perhaps security is not the job for you. Heaven help if you were tasked with securing someone or something that you had issue with.
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I take great exception to your labeling of your service as "just NG." Nearly half of my twenty years of service was as a Guardsman. I have seen both sides. I would just as quickly volunteer to deploy with a NG unit as an RA unit.
During our time in Iraq, my unit set records that the 101st Airborne unit that relieved us was dumbfounded by. Our unit also had the privilege of bringing hurricane relief to millions of Floridians after Hurricane Frances. A time I will forever be proud of. Every time the Guard has been called to serve our nation or community in some capacity, it has answered that call.
As a former guardsman yourself, you should be ashamed of your disparaging attitude toward the good Soldiers of the Army National Guard. Please don't respond with the nonsense about it not being the people. The military, including the Guard, IS the people.
During our time in Iraq, my unit set records that the 101st Airborne unit that relieved us was dumbfounded by. Our unit also had the privilege of bringing hurricane relief to millions of Floridians after Hurricane Frances. A time I will forever be proud of. Every time the Guard has been called to serve our nation or community in some capacity, it has answered that call.
As a former guardsman yourself, you should be ashamed of your disparaging attitude toward the good Soldiers of the Army National Guard. Please don't respond with the nonsense about it not being the people. The military, including the Guard, IS the people.
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This is a stupid assumption. I thought that everytime you apply for a job you should be proud of checking the box that says that you are or were in the military! Man up, Bro!
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This is a stupid question. Why would you hide your previous employment from a prospective employer? It's called background check, buddy.
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If your DD214s had no derogatory information on then ie Dishonerable Discharge, there shouldn't be any problem. It's 8 years of *"related" work experience (yes, for Security, Law Enforcement, or "secure / sensitive" jobs ie finance, child care, etc). You DID earn it, & they care about it. Like they say in the casino:
"Let it ride."
"Let it ride."
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I have a question for you. What type of discharge did you receive.....
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