Posted on Jun 24, 2019
Hiding service from employer due to affirmative action?
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Hey, y'all. Ive got a problem. I recently applied at an international company for an armed security position here in the states. They set up an interview for tomorrow, and said to bring all my DD214s. The issue is, I never disclosed any of my previous affiliation with the military. It wouldn't be a problem since I was only ARNG, that's easy to hide. But I have 3 deployments, and 4 DD214s on my record. This company is an affirmative action employer, and aside from my hatred for my "service", I don't want to end up getting hired just because of a law that requires it based off my part time employment with the state, and fed government. They're going to do a thorough background check, so they would find out anyway, but at that point its up to them whether to hire me or not, instead of some law requiring it. It seems though they've already found out. Even though I answered no on all the vet and military questions.
How do I politely admit to them I am "prior service" (even though I was just NG), while at the same time declining to make that a part of my resume, and not come off as shady? Should I email them back today telling them so? I've never had a problem before because the employers just did a very basic check if any. I really want this job, but I only want it if I'm hired for being me not because of an 8 year mistake I made after high school.
Do I confess to it, or just keep hiding it?
Thanks.
How do I politely admit to them I am "prior service" (even though I was just NG), while at the same time declining to make that a part of my resume, and not come off as shady? Should I email them back today telling them so? I've never had a problem before because the employers just did a very basic check if any. I really want this job, but I only want it if I'm hired for being me not because of an 8 year mistake I made after high school.
Do I confess to it, or just keep hiding it?
Thanks.
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Better question is how bad do you want the job? Are you qualified to do the job..? Why are you trying so hard to explain away your service ?
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This is pretty much standard operating procedures for a security company. They want to know as much about you as they can to prevent making any mistakes in hiring someone who may cause harm or damage to them or their clients. I spent over 20 years working in the field of security and have never heard of anyone trying to hide their military service. If you try to conceal your service and they learn of it, they have every reason to deny your application for employment. Also, I think there is more to this than you are telling. I wonder if maybe there was some problem with your military service and you do not want them to learn about it.
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Affirmative action doesn’t normally apply to military status so they wouldn’t be required to hire you due to affirmative active solely based on whether or not you served. Since you are applying for a security job your background check would reveal military service. The DD 214’s are requested to confirm the discharge you received from the military. As a HR person I would definitely be interested in seeing the document if you’ve already lied once by not disclosing your veteran status.
If you truly want this job, and was discharged honorable from your duties I would provide the DD214s. Or continue to lie and say you can’t find them.
Either way, the cat is out of the bag and they know that you’ve served.
If you truly want this job, and was discharged honorable from your duties I would provide the DD214s. Or continue to lie and say you can’t find them.
Either way, the cat is out of the bag and they know that you’ve served.
You're asking us how to help you cover up a lie? Own it. Take responsibility for your actions, decisions and the consequences that come about, then maybe you'll get some integrity back.
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Saying your just NG however 4 DD214s and hatred for your service is a joke bro, get off this site. And saying it’s affirmative action is BS, do you even know the law and what that is, 31 Bravo? What unit were u with? What years were you deployed?
There's a couple of issues working for and against you in this situation, Sarge.
You are applying for a "armed security position". What's your qualifications for applying for such a position? Is is based upon your "previous knowledge and experience" which in part, is your National Guard service? Or is it something else we don't know but you do?
Your Guard service -- and the deployments -- works borth ways for you. You're not required to provide them the DD-214s but if they are requesting them, you should give them up for their review. You can let them know that you can bring them in during the interview but you are NOT going to hand them copies.
Employers get "incentives" for hiring Vets, ranging from "credits" to outright "cash injects" to their firm for each Vet they hire, depending on firm, state and under which program or programs they are hiring you under. Federally, the VEOA Act (don't ask me what it stands for, I don't recall but a good internet search can find it for you) calls for employers to place Vets at the near front if not the front of the employment selection line. Doesn't happen all of the time but normally, if you ID yourself as a Vet and got a service medal for your service, you get hired. It's NOT "affirmative action" but rather "veterans preferences" which get you the job.
Good luck with this...it seems you want the job, so use all of the tools you have to grab that job. If you don't want the job, simply tell them that you're applying on your own personal skills and abilities and not just because you served in the Guard for eight years.
You are applying for a "armed security position". What's your qualifications for applying for such a position? Is is based upon your "previous knowledge and experience" which in part, is your National Guard service? Or is it something else we don't know but you do?
Your Guard service -- and the deployments -- works borth ways for you. You're not required to provide them the DD-214s but if they are requesting them, you should give them up for their review. You can let them know that you can bring them in during the interview but you are NOT going to hand them copies.
Employers get "incentives" for hiring Vets, ranging from "credits" to outright "cash injects" to their firm for each Vet they hire, depending on firm, state and under which program or programs they are hiring you under. Federally, the VEOA Act (don't ask me what it stands for, I don't recall but a good internet search can find it for you) calls for employers to place Vets at the near front if not the front of the employment selection line. Doesn't happen all of the time but normally, if you ID yourself as a Vet and got a service medal for your service, you get hired. It's NOT "affirmative action" but rather "veterans preferences" which get you the job.
Good luck with this...it seems you want the job, so use all of the tools you have to grab that job. If you don't want the job, simply tell them that you're applying on your own personal skills and abilities and not just because you served in the Guard for eight years.
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they will most certainly "find out" about your service during any background check (if they have not already). it almost sounds like you are trying to hide something about your service - in which case they may want to dig deeper to see if you had issues with authority etc. this would be something I would definitely (as an employer) want to be aware of especially in light of this being an "armed" position. Just a thought.
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At the end of the day, like it or not, you served. If a company wants to hire you based off of your experience, then let them. The point of the job is to provide for your family. Don't let your pride get in the way.
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A LOT of guys/gals didn't like what they did while in uniform. Needs of the Army, Corps, Navy, Air Force and all. And many of them do their four or eight and go do other things. You are a VET whether you accept it or not and I know there are a lot of people who still respect your willingness to serve, even if you didn't like the job. And in today's military, there is no such thing as "just" Guard or Reserves. We all have our part to play, and we all did our duty. Never asked anyone for anything more. Good luck with the new job.
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