Posted on Nov 13, 2015
How are we to defend against Paris style attacks from happening?
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Some attacks can never be prevented unless we completely change to a different government system, and even then.
There are many preventative countermeasures that can lessen the number of attacks and the severity, but it's not possible to defend against everything.
There are many preventative countermeasures that can lessen the number of attacks and the severity, but it's not possible to defend against everything.
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Exercise your 2nd amendment right. If you live in states that make it hard to do so - then you have a tough decision to make. I don't think I could live in a state that infringes on my right to CCW...and If I had to live in a state like that, I suppose i'd be an outlaw.
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In answer to the question, the BEST defense against such attacks is an armed citizenry. A proliferation of armed citizens could have much more rapidly put an end to an action such as this, likely with far fewer civilian casualties. Understanding that AT LEAST one of the Paris attackers held a Syrian Refugee passport, I would add that we do not defend against such actions when we let these "refugees" into our country en-masse when there is NO WAY to vett them. Since these refugees are coming from Syria, and since our government has been incessantly calling for, and working for the deposition of Assad, (instead of actively working against ISIS), we are NOT going to get any help from Assad. Any talk of vetting on the receiving end is folly, wishful thinking fodder for the masses, or self-deception. There is NO WAY to vett such people, and we would be foolhardy to accept them into our communities en-masse without being able to do so. Regards
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Sgt Nick Marshall
I agree that if we had more people trained in the use of firearms it would be a part of the answer. But I believe the threat will alway be there, part of living in a free society. The best we can do is try to mitigate it by better Intel and fast, overwhelming response.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Sgt Nick Marshall - part of living in a free society is exercising one's inherent right to self defense, and not having to rely solely on generalized Intel. Also, NO response is as fast as that of those already on scene, and in danger.... In such a scenario, the more ARMED citizens, the better. The First responders should be those present when such an assault occurs, the police are actually the second responders.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
Point well taken. My only concern is untrained and undisciplined civilians either accidentally discharging (we average about 600 deaths a year, much more than are killed by terrorists) weapons, or them making a terrible situation worse.
If we could give rigorous training to civilians I'd be behind it.
If we could give rigorous training to civilians I'd be behind it.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Sgt Nick Marshall - Agreed... there is ALWAYS a certain amount of risk involved in freedom... accidental deaths is part of the price of freedom, one we should endeavor and seek to minimize through the training you suggest.
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I would say remain vigilant - which is a ridiculous concept outside our circles. Sit at a bus stop, mall or any other area and watch all the people walking around with 100% of their attention on their little idiot screens (cell phones). Regardless the potential solution raised there will be counter efforts to circumvent "todays impenetrable."
Plus they're intent is to bend the will of the people, to change our behaviors not overtly confront forces head on. That completely eliminates their intent to instill fear through an anytime anywhere approach. You want soft targets? Follow a school bus to an empty area an slaughter all occupants - in multiple states simultaneously. Can you imagine the panic that would ensue. Would parents become hesitant of entrusting their kids on buses? How would you prevent that? Place an armed guard on every school bus? Or trail it with a guard van? There are plenty of soft targets whose destruction would cause a change in behavior, at least in the short term.
This is a conflict of ideologies that cannot be won merely through the use of force.
Plus they're intent is to bend the will of the people, to change our behaviors not overtly confront forces head on. That completely eliminates their intent to instill fear through an anytime anywhere approach. You want soft targets? Follow a school bus to an empty area an slaughter all occupants - in multiple states simultaneously. Can you imagine the panic that would ensue. Would parents become hesitant of entrusting their kids on buses? How would you prevent that? Place an armed guard on every school bus? Or trail it with a guard van? There are plenty of soft targets whose destruction would cause a change in behavior, at least in the short term.
This is a conflict of ideologies that cannot be won merely through the use of force.
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Unfortunately free and open society we are not able to do that. If we live in an Orwellian society maybe possible but I doubt services of this nation would want such policies.
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It is a numbers game. No one wants to see another Paris here in the United States. In any population, there will always be a number of deviants, those who think and resonate with Salafi Jihadism - in its many flavors. Even if we take a conservative "guestimate" that within the United States right now there might be ONE percent of the current population (319 million), that makes the potential for 3.19 million individuals within the U.S. who just praised what happened in France and desire it to occur here in the U.S.
So, the fight for counterterrorism is multifaceted.
(1) We must control the quality and quantity of individuals immigrating into the United States who would be traveling from locations of a statistically high probability of being associated with Jihadist terrorism.
(2) We must give law enforcement the means of protecting the nation while not eroding the Constitution that we all swore to protect and defend. A case must be made before the American public that resources are scarce for law enforcement agencies and police departments MUST profile individuals, vet those individuals, and then continue to focus on statistically high probable subjects (i.e. those who are most likely the bad guys and not the 90-year old grandma trying to get on her flight to see the great grandchildren for Christmas).
(3) Allow anyone trained to carry a firearm, use that firearm, and who is not restricted from owning a firearm to carry openly or concealed no matter where they are within the U.S. The insurance companies and lawyers would certainly see $$ as a result, which might be a good thing for a slumped economy. Men would be men and dinosaurs would roam the earth once again.
(4) Counter the Jihadists in their own homeland without news cameras being around. Let the U.S. military do what we do best, quietly, and without anyone seeing the graphic and terrible realities of war. Do what needs to be done; did someone say "shock and awe"? Well, it works.
SEMPER PARATUS!
So, the fight for counterterrorism is multifaceted.
(1) We must control the quality and quantity of individuals immigrating into the United States who would be traveling from locations of a statistically high probability of being associated with Jihadist terrorism.
(2) We must give law enforcement the means of protecting the nation while not eroding the Constitution that we all swore to protect and defend. A case must be made before the American public that resources are scarce for law enforcement agencies and police departments MUST profile individuals, vet those individuals, and then continue to focus on statistically high probable subjects (i.e. those who are most likely the bad guys and not the 90-year old grandma trying to get on her flight to see the great grandchildren for Christmas).
(3) Allow anyone trained to carry a firearm, use that firearm, and who is not restricted from owning a firearm to carry openly or concealed no matter where they are within the U.S. The insurance companies and lawyers would certainly see $$ as a result, which might be a good thing for a slumped economy. Men would be men and dinosaurs would roam the earth once again.
(4) Counter the Jihadists in their own homeland without news cameras being around. Let the U.S. military do what we do best, quietly, and without anyone seeing the graphic and terrible realities of war. Do what needs to be done; did someone say "shock and awe"? Well, it works.
SEMPER PARATUS!
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Sgt Nick Marshall
I agree with everything but have a few reservations about an armed and trained civilian population. As Marines we go through weeks of training with firearms, civilians don't have the restraint that comes with that kind of training. Already more Americans die from gun accidents than terrorist attacks every year.
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PO1 Mark Filter
All I can say is having been out for two years and trained with some civilians with no military background, there are some very competent individuals out there with a weapon system who would be a force multiplier when SHTF. There were some with whom I served who I would never trust with a firearm (too smart to have common sense, know what I mean?). So, ultimately, it should be boiled down to what training a person has been able to amass through the years and if they fit the personality of being a Sheepdog. I don't care if they received their trainjng from military or civilian instruction, as much of the firearms training has become standardized. (I am speaking from personal experience: trained at the Crucible Firearms Academy with former Special Forces operators while stationed at the Defense Threat Reduction Agency and with former Federal Agents at the Executive Protection Institute.). That is my take on the issue.
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I posted a similar response elsewhere. We as Americans in our politics and policies are very predictable. I think it's time to change our thought process and become so unpredictable the bad guys are scared to even face us anywhere in the world.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
Thought processes v actions. I agree we are very predictable, creatures of habit. Unpredictability is not what the financial markets want though.
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COL Ted Mc
LTC (Join to see) - Colonel; Actually the "terrorists" are quite 'predictable" (in general) provided that you can think like they do. If you can't think like they do then they are going to be very "unpredictable".
The "terrorists" are prepared to take personnel losses at levels that the standard military officer wouldn't even begin to consider (except in a last ditch defensive situation).
On the other hand, what you propose sounds a bit like a combination of the Gurkhas, the FSSF, and the GRU Spetsnaz. Believe me, that would scare the crap out of me if I was facing it. [ASIDE - I won't speak for the GRU Spetsnaz, but neither the Gurkhas nor the FSSF (as far as I can determine) "got off" on killing - they were just very good at it, as was the GRU Spetsnaz.]
The "terrorists" are prepared to take personnel losses at levels that the standard military officer wouldn't even begin to consider (except in a last ditch defensive situation).
On the other hand, what you propose sounds a bit like a combination of the Gurkhas, the FSSF, and the GRU Spetsnaz. Believe me, that would scare the crap out of me if I was facing it. [ASIDE - I won't speak for the GRU Spetsnaz, but neither the Gurkhas nor the FSSF (as far as I can determine) "got off" on killing - they were just very good at it, as was the GRU Spetsnaz.]
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We really can't protect against this stuff I'm an absolute sense. We can do our best.
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NYPD Cops Went Undercover as ‘Muslims’ http://libertyfirstnews.com/nypd-cops-went-undercover-as-muslims-heres-what-they-found/
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
Sgt Nick Marshall - There is overwhelming evidence... Can you see the "elephant in the room?"....
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Sgt Nick Marshall
A very small percentage of Muslims are radicalized, do we turn our back on the rest that are fleeing death and persecution? Are we that scared? One of my best friends is a Turkish Muslim, you cannot believe the hatred she has for Isis, "nuke'em" she says. We used to protect the persecuted, now we seem to be afraid.
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
I am speaking of the "radicalized Muslims" ... In which are causing rape, murder and genocide in 1,000,000's across Europe, Australia, Africa, pacific islands and now the USA has been "cancered" thru Saudi funded "Common Core", Islamic idealoligy at our children's education levels, our executive, legislative and judicial seats compromised and our military at our weakest in funding and morale thanks to our Muslim POTUS with no conviction to stand with the US Constitution which is Bible Based, and to call Evil as "Radical Islamic Terrorists" by their true name... As France, Israel Presidents state with conviction / truth and solidarity to fight and eliminate with all its prayers, powers and people....
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