Posted on Nov 13, 2015
Sgt Nick Marshall
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What can we do to stop similar attacks that have happened in Paris. Hitting soft targets, simultaneously with little warning.
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Capt Richard I P.
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We could try arming the armed forces.

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces
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SFC Eric Williams
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That's really a needed proactive measure...
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SFC Eric Williams
SFC Eric Williams
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SSG Paul Ellis - You raise a valid issue. Civilian law enforcement officers in countless numbers are leaving there weapons in pubic rest rooms.....go figure.
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SFC Eric Williams
SFC Eric Williams
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Sgt Nick Marshall - Those soft targets are th locations local law enforcement project will be the objectives.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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I was just thinking of the "patriot guard" that were "guarding" the recruiting offices. I believe one had an accidental discharge. That kind of thing is what concerns me. More Anericans die from gun accidents than terrorism, by a large margin.
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MSG Tim Gray
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Don't worry sheep dogs are packing heavy weaponry!
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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It's comforting to know trained military are prepared, it's the untrained civilians that will be packing that can be almost as dangerous.
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Capt Richard I P.
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Sgt Nick Marshall I'd be interested in any case examples of untrained civilians attempting to respond to active shooters causing even half as many casualties as an unopposed active shooter, let alone a coordinate terrorist attack.

It is easy to imagine our lack of confidence of someone with less training than us trying to respond and making poor choices but remember this: one way gunfights ALWAYS have higher casualties than two way gunfights, unless the one with the gun chooses to stop the fight.
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COL Ted Mc
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Sgt Nick Marshall - Sergeant; We cannot STOP similar attacks but only REDUCE the number and severity.

Reduction can be achieved through:
[1] more through vetting at borders;
[2] more inter-agency cooperation;
[3] "disruption" operations;
[4] well trained and alert security personnel at "mass events";
[5] planned response routines;
[6] having sufficient trained response personnel available;
[7] refusing to "glorify" the perpetrators;
[8] after action disinformation;
[9] treating the perpetrators in exactly the same manner as "non-terrorists"
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[10] keeping your fingers crossed.

I'm not exactly ravingly enthusiastic about any "solution" which involves half drunk people in a darkened room shooting at "the bad guys" (no matter how much fun it sounds like).
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Sir, You have an excellent list of items that would reduce the number of attacks and severity. These are dangerous times we live in.
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COL Ted Mc
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Sgt (Join to see) - Sergeant; Indeed these are "dangerous times" but they ARE NOT "terrifying times".

There is a risk of an attack - there always is. The real question is whether or not we are going to allow the "terrorists" to control our lives by cowering in fear before them.

I say that it is better to fight on our feet than die on our knees. (I don't go so far as to say that it is better to die on our feet than live on our knees because we can always stand up if we are alive but once we are dead we can't do anything more.)
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Vit Spirek
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[9] more veterans (for new jobs) in segment like security services which will grow after attacks in France around world. Now is right time use their experiences !
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COL Ted Mc
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Vit Spirek - Mr. Spirek; If it wasn't for the constant "Race To The Bottom" that infects the private security industry, I'd agree with you.

The "real life" rule is that you can have all the security you are willing to pay for.

The problem is that the bean counters don't want you to spend any more than will satisfy the insurers and that isn't going to be enough because what will satisfy the ensurers is quantity NOT quality. That means that having "enough" crappy security counts exactly the same as having "enough" outstanding security as far as the insurers are concerned and "outstanding" costs more than "crappy".

You have to remember that the insurers actually "like" (in the sense of "can make one hell of a lot more money") it when there are terrorist attacks because then they can raise the rates across the board regardless of how much the actual threat to the insured properties is.

PS - If you take from the above that I am NOT the world's biggest fan of the insurance industry, you'd be right.
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How are we to defend against Paris style attacks from happening?
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Ensuring that no more feckless pacifists are elected would be a great start.
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Cpl Software Engineer
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Jaime, why would a sensible human being strap a bomb to their body and run into a crowd of civilians? You are seeking a common sense answer of people without sense or the ability to reason. They will strap bombs on people, they will destroy items of antiquity, they punish the rape victims, being gay is a death sentence, but bacha bazi is culturally acceptable in some places. Tell me they have the same mental capacity you do.
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COL Ted Mc
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PVT Robert Gresham - Sergeant; Exactly when was the proposal to "bring a group of terrorists into the country, and give them everything to be successful" made?

Is there any reason why refugees who are living in conditions worse than many American slums and who have fled from the threat of murder and/or rape that ISIS constitutes should NOT be helped by "the leader of the free world"?

Would you oppose helping the refugees if the only ones let in were women with children and the elderly?

Would you oppose helping the refugees if they were settled in unused military facilities and held there until it was safe to allow them to return to Syria (or they had been "cleared" [and how would you know that those who had been "cleared" had simply been successful in covering up their "real" agenda])?
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PVT Robert Gresham
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COL Ted Mc - Sir, if anyone had been "cleared" at all then I would feel much better about the situation. As it is we have a bunch of people who CLAIM to be refugees, who have not had to show any type of identification, and have not been checked for ties to possible terrorist organizations. You or I would never have that much freedom. (If you disagree try getting on an airplane tomorrow for Germany with no papers, and no TSA computer check.)

You can push for the agenda of, "we are a kind and gentle nation" until something breaks, Sir. But, when the first terror incident, instigated by one of these poor, "innocent" refugees, comes to pass. When the first American is beaten, or raped, or murdered by one of those "put upon souls", I hope that you will remember that you were one of the people who pushed so hard to have them here. Because we had to be the world's savior. And just in case......just maybe, when members of this group decide to fight for Sharia law on OUR streets.....Who do you think is coming to save US?

I think if you read the other comments in this, and other posts, you will see that the majority of the RP community agrees with me.
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COL Ted Mc
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PVT Robert Gresham - Sergeant; If one were to think only with one's head and not at all with one's heart, then the "solution" would be simple - turn the entire area claimed by ISIS into a self-illuminated, glass paved, parking lot. The fact that the casualties would likely be 99% "collateral damage" is, in that case, totally irrelevant.

And, you are correct, a large number of RP members agree with you. Of course they are "thinking with their hearts and not their heads" when they do so.

On the other hand, you could always insist that the refugees that were admitted be either Christians or Jews - that should eliminate any chance of there being any "terrorists" amongst them. Right?
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LTC Bink Romanick
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Sgt Nick Marshall we maintain vigilance, we insure physical security and we don't hamper intelligence agencies from doing their job, better to be safe than sorry.
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LTC John Shaw
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Sgt Nick Marshall I don't believe the Obama Administration is willing to acknowledge the significance of the threat. I am concerned that we will have similar attacks in the US and still no recognition of the issue, extremist who use the concept of militant Islam to create a State, will occur. Perhaps he is over confident in the preparation of the military and law enforcement. I don't think this Administration, the mainstream of the Democratic and establishment wing of the GOP party want to recognize the actual threat.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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PV2 Scott Goodpasture This kind of reminds me of Stargate SG-1 and you are always fearful of Senators getting involved. Politics are dangerous......
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A fan of that series would get it.. PV2 Scott Goodpasture
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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I think that you are close but I think he wants to avoid taking responsibility for his actions. He will wait for more attacks then blame others for forcing him to take action. That way he placates his base
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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The best and only really defense is for people at the scene to take immediate action against the attackers - armed or unarmed, that is how they will be defeated the fastest and with the least amount of bloodshed.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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It's much easier for us (as military) to say and do this, as in the Thalys incident. Civilians can't do that, that is why the terrorists choose them as targets.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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We say we're prepared, but truthfully, we won't know until it happens...
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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Agreed
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SFC S2 Intelligence Ncoic
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You can never completely defend from terrorists attacks. Trust me, I'm sure the Paris attacks could've been much worse. But there are certain security measures in place that prevented the attacks from being any larger. They didn't even make it into the soccer stadium, where I'm sure they were hoping to attack.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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Agreed. I see too many posts about arming civilians and they should have stormed the attackers, IMHO that's not reasonable.
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SGT Josheua Cooke
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In order to prevent travesties like this, from foreign or domestic terrorists, is to discourage "gun safe zones". I can not figure out why anyone feels that arming citizens will be less effective than painting a target on a gun free zone. Our mentality needs to become more like that of Israel's, because this style of terror, as well as mass shootings will only get worse.
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SGT Josheua Cooke
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly - We call those folks motards... Wanting to be a badass like one sees in the movies on top of big numbers entice motards.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
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That makes perfect sense, and god bless them they mean well, I think if we had such coordination and training this shooting sprees would diminish, not disappear, but diminish and well intended but misguided libs would not be given the ammo needed to overturn our 2nd asmend and potentially undermine our constitutions integrity.
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SGT Josheua Cooke
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly - Perhaps you and I need to discuss what needs to happen to get this voted in, and then begin a training course to sell, thus making America a safer place and us rich.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
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I think you are spot on. Coordinating with gun lobbyists and mfg you could have them underwrite the launch. I often tell people that the only thing in America that could stop an open carry advocate, are outraged unarmed American moms who would say their kids right to life trumps my right to carry. And it would be a populist movement. The libs would sing Kumbaya, Until they realized they had just set a precedent that has the ability to undermine the rest of their freedoms.
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