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You can't. You were awarded the award you met the requirements for. Being Infantry in a firefight doesn't automatically meet all the requirements of a CIB.
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1LT Lee Chr I'm referring to the award criteria for a CIB.
Maybe you are failing to read the full criteria. Someone else in this thread already pointed out the rest of the criteria.
Maybe you are failing to read the full criteria. Someone else in this thread already pointed out the rest of the criteria.
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1LT Lee Chr the wording was very clear given the vague description of his circumstances.
1. He was awarded what he was authorized.
2. There is more to the award than what he thinks.
He's a young NCO. My job is to lay down the bread crumb trail that leads to him discovering the answer. My job is not to provide him answers. This is how you build confidence in junior leaders. You point them in the right direction, let them figure it out, then watch them try, struggle, fail, adapt, overcome, and then grow. He didn't ask for further guidance so it can be concluded that he either doesn't care enough, or he reached his answer.
At some point his soldier will come ask him a similarly challenging question. He needs to develop his research skills so he can answer it. Every day I talk to NCOs that believed some common Army factoid or other that can be refuted with a little research. What needs to be taught isn't answers, but critical thinking.
1. He was awarded what he was authorized.
2. There is more to the award than what he thinks.
He's a young NCO. My job is to lay down the bread crumb trail that leads to him discovering the answer. My job is not to provide him answers. This is how you build confidence in junior leaders. You point them in the right direction, let them figure it out, then watch them try, struggle, fail, adapt, overcome, and then grow. He didn't ask for further guidance so it can be concluded that he either doesn't care enough, or he reached his answer.
At some point his soldier will come ask him a similarly challenging question. He needs to develop his research skills so he can answer it. Every day I talk to NCOs that believed some common Army factoid or other that can be refuted with a little research. What needs to be taught isn't answers, but critical thinking.
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1LT Lee Chr I should probably point out that you just answered this CPLs question that he is eligible for a CIB when he's not. When you provide a soldier with a factually incorrect answer as an officer it degrades your credibility. As a SNCO who has trained LTs you know this already.
I have also met the criteria for a CIB/CAB during OIF2. NG admin being what it was, I was never awarded it because I was transitioning to AD. I've seen plenty of CIBs, CABs, and CMBs awarded for something as simple as being shot at, while others were denied who deserved it, so I have no judgment on who wears it. I was also selected for MSG, so I'm not oblivious to my role in the Army.
I see that you don't know that Career Counselor is not a position, it is an MOS. I point this out because you will be a commander and you will work with a Career Counselor. We are not Retention NCOs who reenlist people. We are usually the firefighters who fix problems your S1 has never seen or doesn't know how to fix. You average Career Counselor knowledge level is on par with the S1 NCOIC and they are more accessible to Soldiers making them the ideal help desk for unusual Soldier admin issues. Our MOS goes into SGM and we have CSMs in the field right now. On the last CSL where Career Counselors were eligible to compete, nearly 1/3rd of our MOS was initially selected for CSM.
If you think my leadership or guidance is short sighted, feel free to look through the numerous posts where I have provided guidance to Soldiers on this forum. I am at the top 1% here because my answers are fact based resonate with the other leaders as well. This is the same approach I have taken that allowed me to be accepted into the Audie Murphy Club, to be the FORSCOM Career Counselor of the Year, and while I was the putting together Jumpmaster and PreRanger courses. My mentors have been kind, compassionate, demanding, and extremely successful.
I think it's fair to say that you've jumped to several conclusions. But, really the issue is that:
A: You didn't like my answer
B: If you attack me personally, you can deflect the fact that your answer was, in fact, incorrect. Being in a firefight and being Infantry, alone does not warrant a CIB.
As you pointed out that you made E7 quite young, I would point you to the recent RAND research that indicates that fast trackers who become SNCOs ahead of their peers have the lowest rates of retention and the highest rates of chapters and administrative separation.
I have also met the criteria for a CIB/CAB during OIF2. NG admin being what it was, I was never awarded it because I was transitioning to AD. I've seen plenty of CIBs, CABs, and CMBs awarded for something as simple as being shot at, while others were denied who deserved it, so I have no judgment on who wears it. I was also selected for MSG, so I'm not oblivious to my role in the Army.
I see that you don't know that Career Counselor is not a position, it is an MOS. I point this out because you will be a commander and you will work with a Career Counselor. We are not Retention NCOs who reenlist people. We are usually the firefighters who fix problems your S1 has never seen or doesn't know how to fix. You average Career Counselor knowledge level is on par with the S1 NCOIC and they are more accessible to Soldiers making them the ideal help desk for unusual Soldier admin issues. Our MOS goes into SGM and we have CSMs in the field right now. On the last CSL where Career Counselors were eligible to compete, nearly 1/3rd of our MOS was initially selected for CSM.
If you think my leadership or guidance is short sighted, feel free to look through the numerous posts where I have provided guidance to Soldiers on this forum. I am at the top 1% here because my answers are fact based resonate with the other leaders as well. This is the same approach I have taken that allowed me to be accepted into the Audie Murphy Club, to be the FORSCOM Career Counselor of the Year, and while I was the putting together Jumpmaster and PreRanger courses. My mentors have been kind, compassionate, demanding, and extremely successful.
I think it's fair to say that you've jumped to several conclusions. But, really the issue is that:
A: You didn't like my answer
B: If you attack me personally, you can deflect the fact that your answer was, in fact, incorrect. Being in a firefight and being Infantry, alone does not warrant a CIB.
As you pointed out that you made E7 quite young, I would point you to the recent RAND research that indicates that fast trackers who become SNCOs ahead of their peers have the lowest rates of retention and the highest rates of chapters and administrative separation.
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You can’t, if your Infantry platoon is attached to a non infantry company or command than it gets tricky but if your not an Infantryman and re classes to 11B but had a CAB you definitely won’t get it. I’m thinking there is more to this than what is posted.
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1LT Lee Chr for example if an infantry platoon is attached to a non infantry outfit and they get into a TIC then the outcome for awarding CIBs and CABs gets tricky due to what command they would fall under based off the structure and o
Elaborate on your comment.
Elaborate on your comment.
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1LT Lee Chr an example is where there were a platoon of Infantryman attached to an assault helicopter BN as door gunners and security they were in support of TICS and were awarded the CAB instead of the CIB due to the command structure.
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1LT Lee Chr - Not that rare sir Happen a lot during OIF. The Convoy security units were Joint and did not have a Infantry UIC, so 11B's and 0311's received CAB's, same with PRT PSD's, also on Law and order task Force where 11B's were assigned or attached. OIF and Afghanistan created a lot of unique situations and is why some instructions were updated, like Marine CAR.
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Sir number 2 covers what we are talking about here, period
Number 2
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2008-title32-vol3/xml/CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-69.xml
Number 2
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2008-title32-vol3/xml/CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-69.xml
CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-69.xml
(a) Specific eligibility requirements. There are basically three requirements for award of the Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB):
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