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I just received orders to Korea. To be frank, I don’t want to go. My wife and I just had our first baby, and I get it “everyone has families“, I should “suck it up and go”, I “chose to be in the army”. I get it, but if there’s away that I can stay with my wife and daughter I want to do it. I’m sure Korea is fun and traveling is great, but I personally feel that it’s not worth it if you can’t share it with family. I am coming up on my second re-enlistment period, I’ve been at my current station for 5 years, I wouldn’t mind going anywhere else that is accompanied. Is there anyway to get my orders changed, or deleted? Everyone has different experiences, and I value everyones input, and thank you all.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SSG (Join to see) I know where you are coming from. I had been married for about 10 months when I received the great news that I would be serving overseas in the Land of the Early morning calm, unaccompanied. I sat down with my Branch Manager to talk it over. I was informed that I had been sitting on my ass in CONUS (stationed at Ft Irwin, OPFOR 11months/year in the field sitting on my ass...) and I needed to get to Korea. Assignment turned out to be pretty good professionally. I got to Command a Company really early. Moral to the story: if you can't get out of it, you might as well get into it. SFC (Join to see) comment is pretty spot on. The only alternative would be to volunteer for something your branch manager needs filled worse.

Realistically, I would start working a command sponsored tour, meaning you would be accompanied. If that doesn't work out: get in, hit it, and get out. Take your mid tour leave 2/3 of the way through, so when you come back, you change hand receipt and then bounce. I had my wife come visit at Christmas. I got there in September, saw her in December, saw her again on leave in July, and I was on my way home in October (extended 30 days to get 13 months in command). Don't fall for the bait of command sponsorship on the tail end of the assignment although you could get an incentive for a COT. Because you are coming from Korea, you will have more leverage where you go afterward. You will also be off the radar for overseas assignment for a while. Get your KDSM and move on.
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That’s great advice Sir. That’s where the wife and I are right now. If we can get them changed, cool, if we can get an accompanied tour, even better. But we are prepared for the worse case scenario, I go serve and come back. I think everyone would try to fight to keep their family together, but also prepared to answer the call of duty. Thank you again for your input sir.
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SFC Larry Jones
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LTC Jason Mackay, I was at Ft. Irwin from May 82 to May 84. My next door and a lot of my other neighbors were OPFOR. I know exactly how cushy y'all had it. Let me see, dust for breakfast, lunch, dinner and a constant snack at all other times. Sleep? What's that? And when you do get to sleep, you may have to share your bed, whatever it is, with some critters you can really do without. When you do get to go home, your dog growls at you because he doesn't recognize you. If you have kids, they say, "Mommy, who's that strange man coming in the door and why is he sleeping in your bed?" Sounds like your Branch Manager could have used an assignment there himself, ha ha. Blessings to you and your family.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SFC Larry Jones - so I do everything the hard way. I showed up at Irwin single and left married. When I dated my wife, the women she worked with thought I was made up, until a Company event lined up with a 4 day weekend.

Her Mom thought I had mono. We would roll in from the field on TD14, I'd go to Regimental Call, sleep it off, then roll to her house for the 4 day. I'd sleep for like 20 hours.

I killed a tarantula with a tool box downrange...best story is my MST Chief cutting a coyote out of our camo net.

My branch manager got the last laugh....he's a General now.
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SFC Larry Jones
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Ain't that always the way!
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You have almost no chance of having your orders deleted, especially from Korea. Literally every single person who comes on assignment for Korea calls their branch manager and tells them they don't want to go to Korea. You also cannot reenlist for a duty station or Reclass when you're on assignment.
However, you can apply for command sponsorship and bring your family for two years.
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SFC Bob Johnson
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SPC Javontae Eaddy - Depends on where you get stationed really; I was like many before (and sure many after) who heard all of the horror stories of being stationed in Korea. However, once I arrived and was settled into my unit and started to explore explore the country, I found that the Koreans were awesome and very accommodating and that was in 1997. The last time I was there (I ended going over three times) was in 2009 and I ended up being command sponsored and actually saw how much effort the military had put into trying to make the assignment one that troops request instead of decline. BLUF, any assignment is all in what you make it and the attitude that you carry; if you don’t like the assignment or unit, make the most of it until you can PCS doing things like furthering yourself and preparing for the eventual time that you transition back into being a civilian. This can be done through education, experience or training. If you’re overloaded with debt and are stateside (and your command will support you in it) get a part-time job to pay off your debt. I hope that my rambling has helped, just remember the best assignment you will ever have is always the one you just left.
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SP5 Jeannie Carle
SP5 Jeannie Carle
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I was Camp Casey - 9 miles from the DMZ - I would have gone back in a heart-beat. 2AG was as different as night/day from Stateside, but I loved it.
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SP5 Jeannie Carle
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SSG (Join to see) - It took me 11 mos to actually receive my orders. I knew that long ahead of time because of my team and our raport with the other team. I was at Casey 76-77 and even then we had "married barracks" back behind ours. My ex and l lived in the Ville (TDC) - but he was also AD and was assigned to Camp Hovey - up the mountain from us. 1/9 inf.
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I heard all the horror stories about being stationed in South Korea back in the 1980's and dreaded it at first. It turned out to be better than I was told and I wish I could have stayed longer. I have a lot of respect toward the good people of South Korea. I used to spend more time off post than on by getting to know them. It was a great experience.
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As estated on the previous comment, you should apply for command sponsorship as soon as possible. You need to do this during your Levy process. While you are waiting for that to happen, make an appointment at hospital for an EFMP screening for your dependents. Don’t wait!
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Are accompanied tours still allowed? And what does the EFMP screening do?
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Depending on the location and the command you are going into, you could be approved Command Spondorship. EFMP screening is a requirement for all family members. If your have no EFMP members, it is just a routine check.
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I have many friends who have taken their families to Korea.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SSG (Join to see) - exceptional family member program (EFMP). If you don't know what it I is, you likely don't have an issue. EFMP tracks families with members that have special medical requirements, helps you get services/treatment, and ensures they don't assign your family (notice I said family) to an area where there is no civilian or military treatment for your EFMP issue(s).

That check is between the losing and gaining medical system to ensure that your family will be able to live there without issue.

The output of the EFMP check is a one page form. You can get it done at EACH.
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How can I get my orders to Korea deleted or changed?
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I got out of Korea; How?
I went Airborne.

They pushed me out to Bragg instead. If you have the option and really need to get Korea off of your orders, see if it's a possibility.

Telling Soldiers to "suck it up" when it might mean losing their families or missing out on vital development periods in their children's lives...? For the sake of tact, I'll just say that this sort of mentality doesn't exactly motivate troops to go the extra mile to make you look good. If we can help, then let's make the effort to do so and set the right example in the process.
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Definitely true. But I already am Airborne in an airborne unit. My only option to get off orders is applying for the SFAB which I am working on. But I’m also working on my command sponsorship.
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Ask Branch about the possibilities of taking your dependents. I feel your frustration brother. I got married and two months after I was on my way to Afghanistan with zero options. If not, it is important that you assist your wife in establishing a good support system to facilitate this transition. Take every opportunity to visit eachother. A year goes by pretty quick. You have to mentally think about the positive (i.e. goals, money, and etc.). Go to school!
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SSgt Daniel d'Errico
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The be a man and suck it up rrally does apply here. Not wanting to be too harsh, it's a one year tour (unaccompanied), everyone gets one or two. Yes your family doesn't go with you unless you volunteered to go accompanied. It will be especially tough since you're having your first child. If your MOS allows you to trade with some one in your MOS, and he/she has orders to somewhere that is accompanied, that would be the way to go. Talk with your company first sgt to see what you can. There's no promising he'll be sympathectic, but it's worth a try. My ex got orders to Iceland unaccompanied for a year and I was at home with two children (ages 3 &1). We were both in USAF at the time and she tried to get me up there for an accompanied tour. Didn't happen. Again sorry to be so hard on you in the begining, but it's one of the negatives in military life. Best of luck.
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It’s much easier to get command sponsorship these days than in the past and I highly recomend any Soldier going strongly consider bringing your family, In the past korea for Soldiers had earned a bad reputation but it’s not that way, it’s a a very family friendly country with many things for young families to see and do. It’s the mentality of the Soldiers that see it as a place to endulge in the Villes and the environment closest to the camps that is just there to make money off of the Soldiers. But when you get out on the economy and experience the country you’ll see this is a great place to be assigned.
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MSgt Mario De Souza
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This may sound harsh but I grew up hearing the following statement “ if the military wanted you to have a wife and family, they would have issued you one”. I guess it’s a different military now a days. My suggestion is this: you signed up to serve in this country’s military. Nobody coerced you. So if you don’t want to go to Korea and you happen to get out of it, then the next time you have orders to some other place you don’t want to go, you may start whining also. Imagine if the whole military decided they didn’t want to go to Korea, what would happen then? Suck it up! Korea is not a bad place.
By the way, if you guys just had a baby, this is the best time to go because your daughter will not remember you being gone. The older the kids get the harder it is for them. I have saidcmy peace.
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LCDR Kirk Chandler
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Korea is a great experience. It is the easiest of the 7th Fleet experiences (sorry I am Navy). The Koreans want us to be there, but still have detention among the younger population. No matter what the Koreans are respectful, kind, and welcoming (unless you are a JN). It is easy to travel any where from Korea or have others come to you. Please call if you have questions. V/R, (LCDR Kirk Chandler, now a civilian) [login to see] (c)
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SFC James Heath
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Soldier, everybody goes somewhere sometime. Face it, it is your turn to go overseas. You did not mention a valid reason for non deployment, therefore you sound like a whiner that wants to be close to momie.
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Thank you Sergeant for your leadership. Just to clarify, my family and I are ready and willing to go anywhere the army puts us, this is a change of station, away from my family, being away from my wife and my new born daughter is not something I’m willing to do with out even trying to keep my family together. I’m not trying to weasel my way out of anything, this isn’t a deployment, it’s a PCS. Accompanied or unaccompanied tour, we’re ready, that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna try to go accompanied. If I get told to suck it up and go, after I’ve asked for a sponsorship or a differment. Then I’ll get back in line and do my duty to exceed the standards. Thank your for your input, though unhelpful and unnecessary as it was, it is still appreciated.
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