Posted on Oct 29, 2020
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I'm an E-4 in the 31E MOS and got put on orders to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I re-enlisted in September 2019 for 3 years with 18 months stability. My stability is over in March 2021 and they put on orders to Cuba set to report in May 2021. I've already tried submitting a 4187 to cancel them, but that didn't work. I talked to my Career Counselor and he said he'll call branch, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

I re-enlisted for stability to stay here, finish my bachelor's degree, run my business and transition out once my contract is up. Not to PCS to Cuba. I know I sound selfish and please don't say "that's just how the Army works". I've heard it all. I'm going to college and started a welding business that is doing great. I did all this before knowing about these orders and I know the Army won't care, but I've been with my fiancee for 2 years now and we're planning on getting married soon. So a PCS isn't really in the cards for me.

Please, can someone here give me some decent guidance how to cancel or get out of these orders? I've tried decking them, but was told I have too much time left on my contract (ETS = September 2022). I do not care about ruining my career or future with the Army because I'm getting out 110% in 2022. I just want to stay here, get married, graduate college and grow my business for when I get out and I'll do basically anything at this point.

Thanks, RP!
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SSG Eric Blue
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Death. That's about the only way you can get out of them. Two of my children died in the same year and couldn't even get a compassionate reassignment to attend the state-mandated grief counseling.
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Kenn Evans II
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You initiated a contract, if you do the same as a small business owner and breech it or break it, what happens? They are upholding you to your contract. You should care about ruining your career and future with the Army. You could lose your Constitutional rights, a bad decission made can also prevent you from ever establishing a line of credit with a financial institution. You might get a prepaid credit card but not a business loan or a mortgage. You should weigh out the "ME" aspect and fulfill your contract. Cuba is not bad. Good weather not like Cherry Point and if you put as much heart into it as you have for your business, that time will pass quicker than you expect. If your girlfriend loves you and can wait for you, you have a real keeper. Personally, marriage after serving is best. There are no excuses for lonely days and nights and if you're currently enrolled, the college, they will issue a deferment with documentation and you can resume when you get home and the GI Bill when applied accordingly, will help you reach your goals. "and I'll do basically anything at this point. " to me say's I'll honor my commitment. If you can't honor your commitment, what about the commitment of marriage? What about being a parent? it sets you up well, I cannot commit to anything that will make me a better man, not better than other's, but, that standard which we all hold ourselves accountable. Anything less than an honorable discharge is dishonorable to you and your family.
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SPC Jacques Perry
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Sounds like you should get your nuptials taken care of soon cause you're going to Cuba! Your business and school can both wait, that's life and what they call "Self Sacrifice". I had 5 years in service and NEVER had the option to get even a SINGLE class completed, but you can bet your arse I used my GI Bill to the fullest when I got out and got my BS degree. So if you have a welding business and are going to school it sounds like you don't really have a future mapped out anyway, typically it's a business OR school certainly no one has time to do both and do well at either of them. Take the rotation its barely over a year than you'll be ETS anyway, they can't obligate you to extend to meet a PCS length requirement to my knowledge, and the Army will ship you to your HoR but that doesn't mean you can't go back where your business was at and pick it up again. Just remember that if you decide not to report you will be AWOL and you'll lose all of the TANF? post separation benefits you'd get for another couple years if you just finish your time. BTW I tried to get a CoT from Italy to Germany when my two years in Italy was up and it would have been so easy to just drive to Germany and report in for another 3 years there but my CoC tried for whats it's worth to get it set up for me, but no dice. I had to report to Camp swampy (Ft. Stewart) in Georgia. So I sucked it up in arguably one of the shittiest stateside places but I had the best Platoon at 3rd MP Co. and ended up loving it for that. I had plans to marry the lady I met in Wiesbaden and it worked out fine I simply put in for leave and went back over for a month.
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SSG Randy Talbot
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BLUF: You re-enlisted for stability, received that stability, and now owe the army the remainder of your reenlistment time signed for AT YOUR REQUEST.

I guess I’m struggling to discern what your priority is. If it’s your business and education, why in the hell did you reenlist? If your priority is to fulfill the commitment you made, then follow your orders and go where you are ordered.

When I enlisted in 1975, I asked for school of choice. Because of my MOS, I had to enlist for 4 years. When I finished my AIT, I was sent to Fort Riley to the replacement detachment. There were 4 of us from my class they went to Riley. I was considered “excess” and given a choice of cook, grunt, or MP. I said I wanted to work my MOS. I was informed that the army fulfilled its commitment to me and I was now filling the needs of the army. I was then offered to be a grunt or an MP. They took cook off the table, so I chose because what they would choose. Fast forward 18 months, and now I’m in Germany working my MOS.

Fast forward a few years ahead of time. I requested to go to Germany and got orders for Korea. Seems that someone made a mark on a roster and the 21st replacement became the 121st replacement. I asked for drill sergeant duty, recruiter duty, even special forces. All were denied. I came back from an unaccompanied tour in Korea after a year and within 6 months got orders for an accompanied tour to Germany.

You signed a legal document saying that you would serve the needs of the Army when your stability time was over. The Army fulfilled its part of your commitment, now it’s your turn to fulfill your obligation that you freely signed for, without coercion or any other pressure from anyone.
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SP5 Richard Welch
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You signed a contract with minimal garauntees. When I enlisted for 82nd and Ft Bragg, I knew that only way to leave was re enlistment to another base. Unfortunately once you are in 82nd, after 11 months orders are cut returning you to 82nd. I re enlisted in Active Reserves, which was only way to garauntee my ability to pick unit and have some stability. After 9 years my battalion was being consolidated and we were going to be required to go to main battalion unit in Sacramento. I was living in Reno, married, and had a kid. So I served my last days owed and seperated from military. Whatever the reason was for enlisting, you can't turn down orders. If you were trained by military as a welder, and now have a side business as a welder, you owe the military at the minimum to serve out your contract, period. I really don't understand how anyone can join for a college degree, and then think it's unreasonable to love up to your end of the contract. What would you do if a customer of yours had a contract for your services for 4 years and decided after 1 year they were done with you? Not really sure how you can operate a business and serve in military, in my era it was a NO GO !!!
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
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You really deserve this ratio.. you are a very selfish person.. you made the enlistment contract ....YOU signed the contract.. no one else .. sorry but you get to do your time.. it was because of selfish Soldiers others had to keep going back to worse places like Afghanistan and Iraq.. Korea and yet your here crying “whost me” I got a half way decent assignment but boohoo I got plans .. wtf would you do if you had a no shit got to go in 8 hours deployment.. to wherever the fight is .... do your time and get out .. until then suck it up the Army... per your signature .. owns your ass
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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You can try to swap assignments with someone the same MOS and Skill level as you. If that doesn't work, you're out of options. If you try to extend your tour where you're currently at, trust me, you'll FAIL.
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CSM Tim Bebus
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You don't care if you ruin your career? Pathetic! I know many a Soldier who were like you and made these same statements a year later they are trying to get back in. What if your unit was being deployed would you be writing on RP on how to get our of it? The Army honored there end of the contract but you don't want to honor yours.
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1SG Rick Seekman
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Seems like you are all about you.
Suck it up, you're in the Army now!
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Right on Top - this is no longer "An Army of One"!
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SMSgt Bob W.
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Whining? Suck it up. The Army had been good to you--18 months of stability. Check with the University of Maryland for continued education and get married (so she can get quarters allowance). I have not sympathy.
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