Posted on Jan 22, 2016
SPC Bradford Bolden
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Hello to everyone, I was giving a fg art 15 under art 134 from my understanding is basically a general we feel you did somethings wrong we are going to punish you type of art. But I was demoted for a NCO to a SPC and put on 6 months "probation"?as well as extra duty for 45 days. My issues is that why didn't the chap me because I'm going to hit rcp in 8 months with my demotion. I don't want to get out, yes I made a mistake. But I don't want to get out. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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If you have an effective date of demotion prior to the 1st of the eighth month PRIOR to hitting RCP, you may have a narrow window to board in the primary zone before hitting RCP. AR 600-8-19 Table 3-2 and 3-3 leaves a little wiggle room. Undoubtedly your commander was aware of this. You will have to go very far out of your way to be a model Soldier in order to pull this off, but you might be able to salvage your Army career.
Failing that, I would encourage you to start planning your transition. You have been granted 8 extra months with pay and access to Army resources to help you with this process.
Believe it or not, they did you a big favor. They could have emplaced a Bar to Reenlistment or initiated a separation process, but did not.
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SPC Bradford Bolden
SPC Bradford Bolden
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Understandable.
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MAJ Javier Rivera
MAJ Javier Rivera
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I have to agree with 1SG (Join to see) . Without knowing -not wanting to know- the circumstances my assumption is that your chain of command placed you in a gliding path for your transition. Every Non judjucal action requires a separation package and based on the infraction it could take months for staffing and approval; if it gets approved. Hence the reduction in rank. Here is the non political correct equetion: Non performing NCO+ Art 15+ Reduction of rank= RCP=Separation. All without the paperwork/staffing hassle. And all of this blessed by the SJA and Retention folks. Now, can you recoup from this? Yes, I've seen it and supported but you ought have your ducks dressed right dressed! Good luck!
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Did you type this question from your phone?
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Maj Mark Lilly
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CW4 (Join to see) - Have to disagree with one point you made CW4. Getting a college degree these days is a waste of time. I have six. That is correct, six. An A.S., B.S., M.A.S, M.A., P.Ct., and an Ed.D. Today there are more jobs in industry than management. Go to a trade school and get licensed as an electrician or HVAC, etc. Own your own company and be prepared for success. Coming out of college with 80k in debt and little to no job prospects is not the way to go.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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CW4 (Join to see) Agree. His best way forward, statistically, is to use his GI bill to get a degree. Especially if he pays attention and gains the English skills he needs to effectively communicate his value to a potential employer. There are always exceptions, but they do NOT disprove the rule. If you can't communicate, chances are high you will not be able to run a successful business.
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Maj Mark Lilly - I wouldn't say they are a waste. It is important to get a degree in a marketable skill. My wife has a doctorate, but its in music. Not nearly as marketable as doctorate in neuropharmacology. My overall advice to this illiterate kid is to get some sort of education. There are lots of high paying jobs for skilled laborers like pipe fitting, welding and such in the SW Louisiana area. Getting a FG ART 15 as an E5 just shows there are some underlying issues. The military isn't for everyone. He asked how to recover from this, and that is my advise. I think it would be irresponsible as a leader to tell any of my subordinates that a college degree is a waste. It's just not that black and white.
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I was in the exact same situation 1 year ago. August 2016 I lost my E-5 and RCP was set to July 23rd. July 1st I was pinned SGT. Its most definitely possible if you want it. The army is full of individuals who doubt, assume, and put themselves on a pedestal because of the position they hold. Don't let any of their irrelevant comments affect what you need to do. Don't know your situation, but with mine im about to take it to legal because im pretty sure its illegal to destroy sworn statements.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Not chaptering you actually helped you (hope you thanked your Leaders)...you'll be eligible for separation pay and may be eligible for transition to the reserve component.
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SPC Bradford Bolden
SPC Bradford Bolden
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Thank them is knowing stretching it for me at this time right now. But thanks for your advice.
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SFC A.M. Drake
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SGM,

With the current business rules in place for Active Army and Reserve only, the NG may be the only option, Reserves will be out of the picture at least until his waiting period is up. NG since they "belong" to the states have slightly different rules that may work in the SM favor.
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Reserves is still an option. His release will still be an ETS for RCP, which leaves him eligible for USAR. I just put a guy into the Reserves who had the same exact situation.
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