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I'm in National Guard. Past few drills I been asking my 1SG regarding conditional releases. I wanna go to active duty. however he is keep telling me that commander gonna Denied any request no matter what. I have lot of personal problems so I'm trying to go active duty so badly. I'm wondering is it ok to use Open door policy , ?
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Posted 9 y ago
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You just have to let your chain of command know that you you are using the open door policy. You don't have to disclose why but you just have to let them know that you are.
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It's always ok to use the open door policy, especially if you have approached your NCO support channel already. You mention that you have lots of personal problems, my experience is that if you have problems now they will probably be exacerbated by active duty where your time and movement is more controlled.
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Melissa Didericksen Didericksen
I agree Active duty can cause upheaval that way. Unless you mean you would appreciate the increased and consistent paycheck. That is why my hubby went active from the Reserves. Other than that you can land in a deploying Unit like my hubby did when we first arrived to Fort Drum and they wanted him to deploy.
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PFC (Join to see) when I was a Commander I had the open door policy and if a person does not feel conformable putting their business out to all the leaders in their chain of command or there was an issue with their chain of command they scheduled to see me or caught me in the hallway. There is an open door policy for a reason. Just explain to him/her why you are using it and not going through the chain or that you did use the chain of command and this is your last resort. Good luck.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Well you do not need to tell anybody why you want to use the commanders open door policy you should anyway so the commander can't be prepared to have a discussion if you walk in cold likely all he's going to give you is G thanks for let me know I'll get back to you because you're going to have to do some research whether that's with your NCO support channel or unit policy regulatory guidance admission messages.
Talk to your platoon sergeant tell him you'd like a meeting with the company commander tell him why give him a time. You would like to have the meeting in so there's kind of a goal expectation management thing
Ensure whoever you set up the meeting with either your platoon sergeant or your first sergeant explain it's not about doubt but you feel obligated to hear it direct from the commander as you are your own best advocate
Talk to your platoon sergeant tell him you'd like a meeting with the company commander tell him why give him a time. You would like to have the meeting in so there's kind of a goal expectation management thing
Ensure whoever you set up the meeting with either your platoon sergeant or your first sergeant explain it's not about doubt but you feel obligated to hear it direct from the commander as you are your own best advocate
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Do you have the time in for a conditional release, few commanders will hold you back if you have met the time requirement. Get the support of your Platoon Sergeant and Platoon leader they can give a good heads up to both the First Sergeant and Commander, and help get a feel for the response prior to going in there to plead your case.
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Open and honest discussions with your chain of command should be out front to any member of your team. Team building starts at the foundation.
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If you have lots of personal issues your platoon sgt is likely aware of them and is aware active duty is likely to make things worse and is trying to discourage you from that path if you use the open door policy make your sgt aware of that so he doesn't feel bypassed.
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When I was a recruiter, I tried to get some released from the Guard to go on active duty, but the units would not release them as they were concerned with their own manning numbers. But there is nothing wrong with using the Commander's Open Door policy.
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Your 1SG does not approve or disprove the use of your commander's open door policy. As a former Company Commander, however, I can tell you that my 1SG would often field some of the issues that came through the door before they got to me. If you have a solid command team, chances are your 1SG already knows your Commander's position on most things. If strength is a concern at your unit, the chances of a conditional release are probably pretty low. As others have said, your Company Commander is not the approval authority for a conditional release. He does make a recommendation though.
I went through a conditional release from the USAR to the ARNG when I was a PFC, so I have some level of understanding. You need to do some leg work before you bring this to your commander. In short, you need to bring your commander a plan for how it's going to happen. If you haven't even talked to an AC Recruiter you're wasting his time and are less likely to get a sympathetic ear the next go around. As far as personal problems go, I doubt going active duty is going to immediately solve them. There are still a lot of resources available to you now, whether the issues are financial, spiritual, emotional, etc. You could also pursue an ADOS, AGR, or Technician career if you want to work full time for the military.
I went through a conditional release from the USAR to the ARNG when I was a PFC, so I have some level of understanding. You need to do some leg work before you bring this to your commander. In short, you need to bring your commander a plan for how it's going to happen. If you haven't even talked to an AC Recruiter you're wasting his time and are less likely to get a sympathetic ear the next go around. As far as personal problems go, I doubt going active duty is going to immediately solve them. There are still a lot of resources available to you now, whether the issues are financial, spiritual, emotional, etc. You could also pursue an ADOS, AGR, or Technician career if you want to work full time for the military.
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PO2 Pamela Perry (Sanders)
In any situation, approach someone In the chain of command with a solution, not a problem. If you do the job for them, they are much more likely to approve the request.
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I don't have any comment on a Commander's open door policy, but I have some experience you may find interesting.
Like you, I was an Army PFC in the Reserves, and I wanted to go active duty. I had two problems -- or rather, the Army had two problems with me going active. First, they only wanted me to stay in the same MOS, they weren't about to re-train me. And second, they had manning issues. You see, you fill a billet. The Army has manning requirements both in the active component and the reserve components -- if you go active duty, it not only means you will fill a new billet in the active component, but you will also be vacating a billet in the reserve component, and that's something the Army wants to fill before they release anyone.
But what I found out is that the Navy couldn't care less about the Army's manning requirements. They're only worried about their own manning requirements. For me, it meant I could go straight from Army Reserves to active Navy. So my advice to you is that if you really want to go active duty, don't limit yourself to doing it only in the Army. Consider enlisting in the Navy or Marines (Air Force is persnickety about accepting other services' prior servicemen).
Now, it might be a difficult time to try and do this, as the military is at the tail end of the Obama draw-down. But still, it's worth talking to other service recruiters and explaining your situation and asking the questions.
One thing that will help you is to be very marketable to them. That means no legal trouble and high ASVAB scores. I don't know what your ASVAB scores are like, but it is possible to re-take the test. It is also possible to study for it. At any major bookstore, you should be able to find ASVAB study guides. I used a study guide by ARCO Publishing to study for CLEP tests and got 12 college credits that way, so it's a process I highly recommend. If you get your ASVAB scores high enough, services will be fighting each other for you.
Like you, I was an Army PFC in the Reserves, and I wanted to go active duty. I had two problems -- or rather, the Army had two problems with me going active. First, they only wanted me to stay in the same MOS, they weren't about to re-train me. And second, they had manning issues. You see, you fill a billet. The Army has manning requirements both in the active component and the reserve components -- if you go active duty, it not only means you will fill a new billet in the active component, but you will also be vacating a billet in the reserve component, and that's something the Army wants to fill before they release anyone.
But what I found out is that the Navy couldn't care less about the Army's manning requirements. They're only worried about their own manning requirements. For me, it meant I could go straight from Army Reserves to active Navy. So my advice to you is that if you really want to go active duty, don't limit yourself to doing it only in the Army. Consider enlisting in the Navy or Marines (Air Force is persnickety about accepting other services' prior servicemen).
Now, it might be a difficult time to try and do this, as the military is at the tail end of the Obama draw-down. But still, it's worth talking to other service recruiters and explaining your situation and asking the questions.
One thing that will help you is to be very marketable to them. That means no legal trouble and high ASVAB scores. I don't know what your ASVAB scores are like, but it is possible to re-take the test. It is also possible to study for it. At any major bookstore, you should be able to find ASVAB study guides. I used a study guide by ARCO Publishing to study for CLEP tests and got 12 college credits that way, so it's a process I highly recommend. If you get your ASVAB scores high enough, services will be fighting each other for you.
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