Posted on Sep 4, 2021
How can someone prove that they can wear a combat patch for deploying to Kuwait under OIR and OFS?
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-2020 I was deployed to Kuwait with the 82nd last year, my orders say it was under Operation Inheret Resolve, my unit didn’t get to go to Iraq. Only 2 infantry battalions went forward
- 2021 I am deployed to Kuwait with the 82nd again, my orders say it is under Operation Freedom Sentinel, my unit didn’t get to go to Afghanistan. This time more than 80% of my brigade went forward except for my unit.
I was told even though we stayed in Kuwait we’re allowed to wear the combat patch because of the operations that we fall under. If someone is wondering why I’ve been to Kuwait 2 years in a row is because both times my brigade has been on IRF (inmediatamente response force)
I’m not really trying to wear it cause I know I don’t deserve it but I’m really curios a bout this cause some of my friends want to wear it.
upposing that we’re allowed wear the patch can they prove that they’re allowed? Cause our ERBs say Kuwait but also I have friends in aviation that just went to Afghanistan or Iraq for supply drope and came back, theirs ERB say Kuwait but with this new thing of no minimum time in combat zone, they are wearing it
- 2021 I am deployed to Kuwait with the 82nd again, my orders say it is under Operation Freedom Sentinel, my unit didn’t get to go to Afghanistan. This time more than 80% of my brigade went forward except for my unit.
I was told even though we stayed in Kuwait we’re allowed to wear the combat patch because of the operations that we fall under. If someone is wondering why I’ve been to Kuwait 2 years in a row is because both times my brigade has been on IRF (inmediatamente response force)
I’m not really trying to wear it cause I know I don’t deserve it but I’m really curios a bout this cause some of my friends want to wear it.
upposing that we’re allowed wear the patch can they prove that they’re allowed? Cause our ERBs say Kuwait but also I have friends in aviation that just went to Afghanistan or Iraq for supply drope and came back, theirs ERB say Kuwait but with this new thing of no minimum time in combat zone, they are wearing it
Posted 4 y ago
Responses: 32
If the 82nd wanted you to have a patch, then you would have gotten orders from the unit uoi were with. Normally the Battalion issued orders showing all who were on the them.
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SSG (Join to see)
Yes, the latest AR-670-1 clearly lays out how and which patch a soldier is allowed to wear as a "SSI-MOHC". Soldiers need to learn to read the regs and not ask folks on the internet questions when they have the resources to figure it out for themselves.
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I have soldiers with TCS orders stating operation inherent resolve -Kuwait. This means they are not entitled to a patch because they’re in Kuwait. Only those who pushed into Iraq are eligible
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The regulatory requirement is AR 670-1 ch 21-18: deploy to a country listed, in support of an operation listed.
The "proof" is an order putting you in that country in support of that operation.
The "proof" is an order putting you in that country in support of that operation.
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So here is the regulation:
AR 670–1 • 26 January 2021 43
21–18. Shoulder sleeve insignia–military operations in hostile conditions
a. General. Authorization to wear a SSI indicating service during military operations in hostile conditions (MOHC) (formerly known as the SSI-former wartime service) applies only to Soldiers who meet or have met the following criteria:
(1) The Soldier must actively participate in or support military operations in hostile conditions, which must include exposure to the threat of hostile action or fire, either directly or indirectly.
(2) The Soldier’s participation or support described in paragraph 21–18a(1) must occur while the Soldier is located in an area that entitles the Soldier to receive the combat zone tax exclusion and entitles the Soldier to receive Hostile Fire Pay or Imminent Danger Pay (IDP).
(3) A general or flag officer in the chain of command must request DCS, G–1 approval for wear of the SSI–MOHC.
furthermore here are the designated campaigns:
(16) Operation Inherent Resolve: between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified byUSCENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR.
Notice Kuwait is not an area in this operation.
(17) Operation Freedom’s Sentinel (OFS): between 1 January 2015 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Djibouti in support of OFS who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM or AFRICOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OFS are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OFS.
Again notice Kuwait is not in this theater.
You were NOT exposed to hostile fire or imminent threat in Kuwait. Anyone flying into those territories are then subject to hostile fire or imminent threat and are thus authorized the SSI.
AR 670–1 • 26 January 2021 43
21–18. Shoulder sleeve insignia–military operations in hostile conditions
a. General. Authorization to wear a SSI indicating service during military operations in hostile conditions (MOHC) (formerly known as the SSI-former wartime service) applies only to Soldiers who meet or have met the following criteria:
(1) The Soldier must actively participate in or support military operations in hostile conditions, which must include exposure to the threat of hostile action or fire, either directly or indirectly.
(2) The Soldier’s participation or support described in paragraph 21–18a(1) must occur while the Soldier is located in an area that entitles the Soldier to receive the combat zone tax exclusion and entitles the Soldier to receive Hostile Fire Pay or Imminent Danger Pay (IDP).
(3) A general or flag officer in the chain of command must request DCS, G–1 approval for wear of the SSI–MOHC.
furthermore here are the designated campaigns:
(16) Operation Inherent Resolve: between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified byUSCENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR.
Notice Kuwait is not an area in this operation.
(17) Operation Freedom’s Sentinel (OFS): between 1 January 2015 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Djibouti in support of OFS who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM or AFRICOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OFS are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OFS.
Again notice Kuwait is not in this theater.
You were NOT exposed to hostile fire or imminent threat in Kuwait. Anyone flying into those territories are then subject to hostile fire or imminent threat and are thus authorized the SSI.
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If the army says that you can wear ikt, bewcause what you were doing, then wear it.
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It is NOT a "combat patch" it is a "Foreign Wartime Service" patch. If your unit deployed in support of wartime operations you may wear the patch. It is entirely irrelevant that some of your unit went forward from Kuwait but you did not, the very same orders authorize you to wear the patch. No commander's memo is needed.
I even had an FSO authorized a patch for an ROTC rotation to Djibouti. Also a bunch of the tenth mountain patches you see out there are for Africa not the ME.
I even had an FSO authorized a patch for an ROTC rotation to Djibouti. Also a bunch of the tenth mountain patches you see out there are for Africa not the ME.
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I know it's apples and oranges, and don't know what the Regs are on it. What do you think I thought of the company clerk that wore the PUC on his uniform because our unit got it for the worst one month of combat I saw. He never left base camp during that time BTW. Tell your friends any combat award or patch not honestly earned is stolen valor IMHO.
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I'll try to keep it simple... A Combat Patch is only awarded to Company Echelons and below that Do Not Have their own Unit Patch (stated in an ALARACT Message). The Combat Patch is award 30 days after assignment to a Combat Zone and issued by the C2 element. The award letter must be signed by a CG or delegated to a COL and signature cannot be "signed for". I hope this explains it for you.
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I am a old Marine and I was wondering why you would want to wear something on your uniform that you know for a fact you did not do So that should told right off Hey this says combat and watching tv in Kuwait doesn't count So you wear it and another soldier sees you and asks where were you at So then you are going to have to justify it to whoever Then work on yourself
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Regulations inside of 670-1 will define what areas and time frames are authorized for ssi-fwts (combat patch). There is also no minimum time in a combat zone that qualifies wear of a ssi- fwts .
Also your NCO support channel should be able to answer these questions for you .
Also your NCO support channel should be able to answer these questions for you .
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Some of these comments show that some of you old heads need to retire. I just know you’re trash leaders.
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Thank you for the clarification SPC Livingston. I'm sorry I was totally confused. (I came from the Vietnam War Era).
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Just curious. Fifty five years ago, I did one day on shore for security duty at the Cua Viet firebase at the DMZ,which was constantly under threat of assault by sappers. Our unit did artillery support, but also was necessary to iinteract on shore. We had no specific orders for that, as our general orders were vague, pertaining to a destroyer in a combat zone. Although we killed many, many people, how does Boots on the Ground here relate to this same thinking?
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"Deserve" is relative. People are "earning" their patch in Jordan and Saudi right now.
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If authorized, your unit would issue the orders for SSI-FWTS. Pretty much settles it.
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Real easy to figure out. Go to AR-670-1 (Jan. 2021) to get your answers, not from any of us on the internet. This is taken straight from AR-670-1:
Operation Inherent Resolve: between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR.
Operation Freedom’s Sentinel (OFS): between 1 January 2015 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Djibouti in support of OFS who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM or AFRICOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OFS are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OFS.
Operation Inherent Resolve: between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR.
Operation Freedom’s Sentinel (OFS): between 1 January 2015 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Djibouti in support of OFS who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM or AFRICOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OFS are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OFS.
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There should be a memo from your battalion S-1 shop of which patch(es) are authorized for wear.
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SFC James Reeder
You can only earn one per deployment. And no, it’s not the “cool” one. Some fail to read that portion of the reg. In addition, there are no SSI-FWTS memorandums.
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My first few months in Nam were with the 101st Airborne. They went home and I was transferred to the 1st Air Cavalry. Do I get a choice of which to wear or was I supposed to wear my latest outfits? I didn’t even wear one when I returned to Fort Hood.
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MAJ Judd Clemens
I had three combat patches from Vietnam. My first trip was with the Special Forces and my second flying with the 1st Cav and later, the 1st Avn Bde. I couldn't find any regs about i; it was suggested that I wear the last one (1st Avn), but I opted for the Special Forces insignia.
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SPC Joseph Kopac
It was also suggested to me to wear the one who you were last with. So now I remember that I had a Cav combat patch sewed on my field jacket. They called it a sandwich. Same patch on both sleeves.
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