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Posted on Apr 28, 2021
Col Jeff Guimarin
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I didn't use GI Bill, but I used Tuition Assistance and first thing is that TA barely made a dent in the cost of my Master's degree at ASU. It covered MAYBE 25% of the total. There are other Master's programs around the country that are 100% covered by TA - AMU and Post Universities for example. I'm not saying to make it completely covered, but the difference was insane and almost every single course had some hidden fee like "technology fee" (its the 21st century and we have "technology fees? come on!) or "administration fee", it reminded me very much of why I left Verizon. I even had to pay for a student ID card that I never used because I wasn't at campus and using distance learning. I had to take out just shy of $20k in loans for my degree.

Second, ASU didn't have the agreement with GoArmyEd so instead of being able to register for classes normally, I had to put together the cost estimate forms for every single class and send them up to be approved by my local Education Center. This was extremely difficult and caused delays in being able to register for classes, reordering when I would take certain courses, and outright changing which courses I would take because the time would force me to wait, and courses would fill up. My Bachelor's at Western Carolina had the agreement so I could just register for courses through GoArmyEd, quick and simple.

As for support through the coursework, it was fantastic. I had a surprise deployment and my professors were more than helpful in working with the schedule and allowing me to finish my work either ahead of time or with an extension. Aside from that one public finance course (ugh never again!) every class was enjoyable and interesting (even statistics...somehow)!
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Col Jeff Guimarin
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Thanks for the feedback Jeff. I forwarded this to counterparts in ASU EdPlus, who run the online program. The tuition cost is a factor I've heard come up before because of the delta between TA and ASU's rate. Undergrad programs through online get a scholarship for that. But, as you know, it doesn't exist for graduate level. Something I think the university should look at. Cheers.
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SSgt Joe Warhol
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A few points to be made.

There has been a very large socio-cultural shift in the military and its veterans in the last decade. The military, its resources, and education space unfortunately has not kept up with this change. The warrior brotherhood culture, especially among junior enlisted service members, is not the same that it used to among a majority of the post-9/11 veterans. I noticed this shift first hand going back to the fleet as a SNCO in 2016, being discharged in 2018, working in the military non-profit space, and now in my own role speaking with upwards of 20-30 service members/veterans every single day.

The education space is saturated with options, any given degree program isn't as valuable as it was, especially among veterans, a decade ago. Especially with all the school degree options, dare I call them diploma mills, out there marketed toward military personnel.

This is an issue that needs to be met head on with a grass roots and more of an sincere organic pull from the service member effort.

I truly believe there is room for leaps and bounds efforts that can be made in this space but the pandering to and leveraging of the service member themselves is something that is obvious. The service members and veterans see straight through it.

It is no wonder why current commanders and resource organizations like the Marine Corps' MCCS are weary of who they work with and put in front of their personnel on their installations.

We need to do a better job at educating service members of the opportunities and legitimate resources they have at their fingertips. The Post-9/11 GI Bill and a run of the mill degree program isn't enough anymore. We need to stop selling it that it is.
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Good points, Joe. Where will that education for the service members come from on what opportunities and legitimate resources are available to them? I'm hoping the education offices are doing that...some probably better than others. I think there is a credibility gap in education institutions as well...let's chat on how we can make ASU above reproach in that regard. Cheers.
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WO1 Dave Middleton
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I went to ASU, under the VA Voc Rehab program and graduated in 77. It was a very well receiv3d and supported as a Vietnam Vet.
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