Posted on May 10, 2016
How do I begin the Appeal process for the QMP or what does the memo look like or say?
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How do I begin the Appeal process for the QMP or what does the memo look like or say? Need help only have about a week or two before it is due.
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I faced QMP last year and was retained, I used my battalions letterhead , and wrote to the president of the board and its members, I also wrote one letter of mitigation explaining the events that lead to my bad paper... Some advice when you write the letters be humble, take ownership and show your progress since then. I'll keep all those facing the QMP in my prayers good luck bro!
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I am also going through the process. I am sure our appeals are completely different seeing as I am under fire for failing to attend ALC and my appeal basis is deployment and my little ones being 13 months apart. But if you hit me up on Global I can send you what I have to get you started..I am fortunate enough to have some pretty good mentors that have been helping me out. Jensen, Lauren C. on global.
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Hi, I am going through the same thing. For not attending SLC due to deployments. Do you have an example of the memo by any chance?
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I am going through the same thing, but I got dismissed from ALC for supposedly resting in the down position while taking the APFT. I would like to see what documents you have as well.
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Would you be able to send that memo to me as well? My board is soon, and I am actually in ALC right now after redeploying last year.
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I’m the process of putting together my rebuttal but need help in that area for not being able to attend SLC. any help would do.
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Here is an example that was given to soldiers in my wife's unit who faced a QMP. If your response is broken down into different enclosures with tabs, it makes it easier for the board to read it, however, I seem to remember they also allowed for electronic submission so some form of table of contents could be useful if done in that manner.
The big thing is whether your appealing based on a claim of improved performance or material error. In the case of performance, it's all about showing why your a great solider and how you improved. With material error, you need to show that the underlying facts that led to your QMP are flawed or not in accordance with Army regulations. Purely anecdotal, but it seems the Board approves performance appeals more often since it doesn't really require you to overcome any specific burden of proof. The soldiers my wife commanded that beat the QMP often included both arguments in their appeal and the ones that prevailed generally did so based on improved performance, however, at least one did overcome the QMP based on material error, but they had a very well written legal appeal and a ton of supporting evidence. Those that didn't win with the Board did have the option to appeal to the ABCMR, but they were separated by the time their appeals went up so I can't comment on how that worked out.
The big thing is whether your appealing based on a claim of improved performance or material error. In the case of performance, it's all about showing why your a great solider and how you improved. With material error, you need to show that the underlying facts that led to your QMP are flawed or not in accordance with Army regulations. Purely anecdotal, but it seems the Board approves performance appeals more often since it doesn't really require you to overcome any specific burden of proof. The soldiers my wife commanded that beat the QMP often included both arguments in their appeal and the ones that prevailed generally did so based on improved performance, however, at least one did overcome the QMP based on material error, but they had a very well written legal appeal and a ton of supporting evidence. Those that didn't win with the Board did have the option to appeal to the ABCMR, but they were separated by the time their appeals went up so I can't comment on how that worked out.
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MAJ Michael Kavanagh
I really hope that folks aren't using that memo as their template. It might meet the requirements as far as AR 25-50 but not much else. No offense to you, I know you are just passing it on.
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I highly recommend you see your local legal assistance office or hire an attorney with experience with this specific process. It is not only what you say, it is how you say it. Trust me, you don't want to ask you S-1 - they won't know anything more than maybe the formating or what the ALARACT says. Templates are a start but you need to be telling the board what they need to hear and not making some generic request to retain you - highlighting the correct items and explaining the issues that triggered the QMP are critical. It is your career on the line - protect it and ensure you go into the QMP Board on the best possible footing with a well crafted memo. I have seen Soldiers with only a slim chance of retention get retained and it is most likely because their QMP Packet was so good - it was obvious to the board that the Soldier cared about his career and took the time in doing his packet proving it.
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Sir,
I am looking for the proper format for the QMP appeal letter if you have one would you please send it to me thanks
I am looking for the proper format for the QMP appeal letter if you have one would you please send it to me thanks
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MAJ Michael Kavanagh
It is your standard office memo with office symbol and
MEMORANDUM FOR President of the Qualitative Management Board, U.S. Army Human Resources Command (AHRC-PDV-S), 1600 Spearhead Division Avenue Dept. 471, Fort Knox, KY 40122-5407
AR 25-50 has all the formatting info
MEMORANDUM FOR President of the Qualitative Management Board, U.S. Army Human Resources Command (AHRC-PDV-S), 1600 Spearhead Division Avenue Dept. 471, Fort Knox, KY 40122-5407
AR 25-50 has all the formatting info
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I'm not appealing because I'm done with this process because it's not worth it. I'm going to move on and start a new chapter.
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Be cognizant of the fact that if you use a template, the board will know it - if it is just the shell that's different. You need to really sell yourself on this - no grammar mistakes, bold attention grabbing language. You get one shot to explain why they should pick you and not one of the dozens of others. Everyone will be saying yes, I made a mistake (if it's misconduct) and they learned from the mistake yada yada yada. You need to stand out from your peers going through the same board. If you haven't sought legal assistance whether on post or a private attorney, I highly recommend you do so. You are certainly welcome to contact me - [login to see] or my website mpkavanaghlaw.com
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Go see your legal office, they may have a example for you, if not, try IG.. If neither, make a request through the IG for just such a memo example. Ensure they understand the timeline and get them to state if they intend to supply the example in a timely manner so as to be useful to you in your appeal.
Absent that available example, you can not go wrong using memorandum format found in the Reg (AR 25-50)
Write it, have it checked for grammatical errors, then make an office call on your S/G1 and ask the expert to review the format. After that request an office call with your CSM asking for a review of the whole of the appeal.
Absent that available example, you can not go wrong using memorandum format found in the Reg (AR 25-50)
Write it, have it checked for grammatical errors, then make an office call on your S/G1 and ask the expert to review the format. After that request an office call with your CSM asking for a review of the whole of the appeal.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG Carlos Madden -
My recommendation is to NOT use another Sm's appeal as an example.
But to simply format as the REG requires and follow the suggestions below.
The goal is to hit the info points that support your appeal and no one else appeal can show you that... And to do so in a grammatically error free properly formatted memo.
The fewer distractions you present to the review board the better.. so triple check for errors and formatting.. and then include.....
What your appeal should contain:
a. Your appeal must be in memorandum format. It must contain certain administrative data and state specifically that it is a QMP appeal. It should then state the grounds for your appeal in an organized way, referring specifically to documents and statements you have attached. If appropriate, you should divide your discussion into matters of material error and evidence of improved performance. You should conclude with a statement of how you meet the Army's standards for NCO's and why you should be retained.
b. There is no specific length for an appeal. A good guideline is to be thorough, but not
repetitive.
c. In your appeal statement you must explain why you are worth retention in the U.S. Army. State what military and civilian schooling you possess. What kind of course grades did you receive? What sort of assignments have you held? Were they leadership or critical positions?
Explain your job and what you did to improve your subordinates, area or unit. What awards or medals have you received? What did you do to merit the award or medal?
d. You must also state in your appeal why you feel that you possess the traits desirable of an NCO in today's Army. The traits are personal values, competence, physical fitness/military bearing, leadership, training, and responsibility and accountability. Explain why you are an asset and what your potential for future service is. Try to address specifically as many of these traits as possible. You must put yourself in the most desirable light possible. You have to convince DA that you should remain in the U.S. Army.
e. You must also supply letters of support from your current (and prior) supervisors, first
sergeants, sergeant majors, company commanders, and other co-workers. Use the attached sample letter as a guide for letter of support. Appeal boards rely strongly on the
recommendations of the entire chain of command.
f. The appeal packet will then be forwarded through command channels to Commander, U.S. Army Enlisted Records and Evaluation Center, ATTN: PCRE-RP-Q, Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana 46216-5301. That agency's phone number is DSN 699-3704/3705 or (317) 542- 3704/3705.
My recommendation is to NOT use another Sm's appeal as an example.
But to simply format as the REG requires and follow the suggestions below.
The goal is to hit the info points that support your appeal and no one else appeal can show you that... And to do so in a grammatically error free properly formatted memo.
The fewer distractions you present to the review board the better.. so triple check for errors and formatting.. and then include.....
What your appeal should contain:
a. Your appeal must be in memorandum format. It must contain certain administrative data and state specifically that it is a QMP appeal. It should then state the grounds for your appeal in an organized way, referring specifically to documents and statements you have attached. If appropriate, you should divide your discussion into matters of material error and evidence of improved performance. You should conclude with a statement of how you meet the Army's standards for NCO's and why you should be retained.
b. There is no specific length for an appeal. A good guideline is to be thorough, but not
repetitive.
c. In your appeal statement you must explain why you are worth retention in the U.S. Army. State what military and civilian schooling you possess. What kind of course grades did you receive? What sort of assignments have you held? Were they leadership or critical positions?
Explain your job and what you did to improve your subordinates, area or unit. What awards or medals have you received? What did you do to merit the award or medal?
d. You must also state in your appeal why you feel that you possess the traits desirable of an NCO in today's Army. The traits are personal values, competence, physical fitness/military bearing, leadership, training, and responsibility and accountability. Explain why you are an asset and what your potential for future service is. Try to address specifically as many of these traits as possible. You must put yourself in the most desirable light possible. You have to convince DA that you should remain in the U.S. Army.
e. You must also supply letters of support from your current (and prior) supervisors, first
sergeants, sergeant majors, company commanders, and other co-workers. Use the attached sample letter as a guide for letter of support. Appeal boards rely strongly on the
recommendations of the entire chain of command.
f. The appeal packet will then be forwarded through command channels to Commander, U.S. Army Enlisted Records and Evaluation Center, ATTN: PCRE-RP-Q, Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana 46216-5301. That agency's phone number is DSN 699-3704/3705 or (317) 542- 3704/3705.
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Thank you SGM Marquez,
Mainly I am trying to figure who I address it to, since I have asked HRC on the Phone, Email, and their Facebook page and still received no answers. On the phone they told me they would call me back.
Mainly I am trying to figure who I address it to, since I have asked HRC on the Phone, Email, and their Facebook page and still received no answers. On the phone they told me they would call me back.
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http://mpkavanaghlaw.com/category/military-practice/
I highly recommend Michael Kavanagh. He used to be a JAG officer
I highly recommend Michael Kavanagh. He used to be a JAG officer
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG (Join to see) - All I have is somewhat dated info
The appeal packet will then be forwarded through command channels to Commander, U.S. Army Enlisted Records and Evaluation Center, ATTN: PCRE-RP-Q, Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana 46216-5301. That agency's phone number is DSN 699-3704/3705 or (317) 542- 3704/3705.
Please do not solely rely on that process or address, "Trust but Verify" You have too much to lose by listening to JUST a retired NCO.
The appeal packet will then be forwarded through command channels to Commander, U.S. Army Enlisted Records and Evaluation Center, ATTN: PCRE-RP-Q, Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana 46216-5301. That agency's phone number is DSN 699-3704/3705 or (317) 542- 3704/3705.
Please do not solely rely on that process or address, "Trust but Verify" You have too much to lose by listening to JUST a retired NCO.
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