Posted on Aug 17, 2020
How do i upgrade my general under honourable conditions discharge to an honourable discharge? Will I have a better chance of reenlistment?
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Coming to Rally Point to ask legal questions, knowing everyone is a graduate of The Barracks School of Law, is kinda dumb. You should take all your service records to the nearest VA rep and go that route
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SFC Robert Walton
PV2 Tommy Smith - You have the whole issue confused your paperwork did not upgrade your status too reenlist. It was upgraded only to cover medical. This Does not Allow you to reenlist.
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PV2 Tommy Smith
SGT Dan Gray -
It's because of dumb asses like you that give out miss information why I do not post in hear. I never said anything about a Discharge upgrade. It was in reference to a VA Charter of Discharger Determination. The VA can and will determine if your discharge is honorable for VA for VA Benefits. Most of the time its for PTSD due to MST or other Mental Health issues that the military doesn't want to deal with thus UTH or administrative discharger. You say Facts are Facts. Hare are some facts. Fact the VA has rated me @ 70% PTSD and a 100% Total and Permanent. I have been issued VA ID cards. The DOD issued military ID cards to both myself and my wife the same as if I was retired with 20 years. There is a reason why you never made it past Staff Sargent. Because of the advise of people like you it took 40 years to get treated and another 3 to get my benefits. Oh and there is no need to post any more of your "Barracks School of Law" crap as there is no need to be hear again.
It's because of dumb asses like you that give out miss information why I do not post in hear. I never said anything about a Discharge upgrade. It was in reference to a VA Charter of Discharger Determination. The VA can and will determine if your discharge is honorable for VA for VA Benefits. Most of the time its for PTSD due to MST or other Mental Health issues that the military doesn't want to deal with thus UTH or administrative discharger. You say Facts are Facts. Hare are some facts. Fact the VA has rated me @ 70% PTSD and a 100% Total and Permanent. I have been issued VA ID cards. The DOD issued military ID cards to both myself and my wife the same as if I was retired with 20 years. There is a reason why you never made it past Staff Sargent. Because of the advise of people like you it took 40 years to get treated and another 3 to get my benefits. Oh and there is no need to post any more of your "Barracks School of Law" crap as there is no need to be hear again.
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PFC Edgar Mosier
PV2 Tommy Smith - GM, fellow warrior. I like that you stood up to a "stripe-toter", a creature that emulates having any real power, much like a newbie deputy...
That's the same type of individual that would likely claim some special status because of having be drafted or having lucked out that there was a hot war during their enlistment, but having never actually faced any true danger or violence, even from Mother Nature, like being exposed in a few tornadoes, surviving a few hurricanes, auto accidents galore, or a motorcycle wreck at over 65 MPH and thanking God for little more than scratches.
Give some a taste of what they perceive as power, they'll prove they haven't the metal of true leadership.
And, sadly, those are the brown-nosers that usually worm their way through life, attempting to make others as miserable as they are.
That's the same type of individual that would likely claim some special status because of having be drafted or having lucked out that there was a hot war during their enlistment, but having never actually faced any true danger or violence, even from Mother Nature, like being exposed in a few tornadoes, surviving a few hurricanes, auto accidents galore, or a motorcycle wreck at over 65 MPH and thanking God for little more than scratches.
Give some a taste of what they perceive as power, they'll prove they haven't the metal of true leadership.
And, sadly, those are the brown-nosers that usually worm their way through life, attempting to make others as miserable as they are.
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In your future endeavors, “shirtless pic” is not a good choice for your profile picture on professional websites like Rally Point or LinkedIn
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SPC Steven Nihipali
take all your paperwork to a recruiter and ask... if it takes a wavier or some signatures, do it!
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Were you discharged during initial training? The reality is that upgrading a discharge unless you can prove that it was given in error just about takes an act of God. However, certain entry level discharges still allow you to enlist again based on the RE code.
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CW4 (Join to see)
CPT Lawrence Cable - Even with a General under honorable, a prior-service member may be eligible to enlist. It will depend on the RE-code on his DD214 and if it is waiverable if not an RE-code of 1.
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CPT Daniel Cox - You can also be eligible to for the VFW if you serve in South Korea due to it still be considered a zone of conflict. I know soldiers that only did exercises in Korea that were equaled more than 60s days and that met eligibility - There are two qualifiers for membership in the VFW, as set out in our National Bylaws. An individual must meet both in order to become a member. They are as follows:
1: Honorable Service – must have served in the Armed Forces of the United States and either received a discharge of Honorable or General (Under Honorable Conditions) or be currently
serving.
2: Service in a war, campaign, or expedition on foreign soil or in hostile waters*. This can be proven by any of the following:
- An authorized campaign medal (see a full list of qualifying medals and badges)
- Receipt of Hostile Fire Pay or Imminent Danger Pay (verified by a military pay statement)
- Service in Korea for 30 consecutive or 60 non-consecutive days
*This information is usually available through a veteran’s DD-214. If other information is needed or if a veteran’s DD-214 is not complete, they can contact the National Personnel Records Center online or at [login to see] to request more information.
1: Honorable Service – must have served in the Armed Forces of the United States and either received a discharge of Honorable or General (Under Honorable Conditions) or be currently
serving.
2: Service in a war, campaign, or expedition on foreign soil or in hostile waters*. This can be proven by any of the following:
- An authorized campaign medal (see a full list of qualifying medals and badges)
- Receipt of Hostile Fire Pay or Imminent Danger Pay (verified by a military pay statement)
- Service in Korea for 30 consecutive or 60 non-consecutive days
*This information is usually available through a veteran’s DD-214. If other information is needed or if a veteran’s DD-214 is not complete, they can contact the National Personnel Records Center online or at [login to see] to request more information.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CW4 (Join to see) - I pointed that out at the top of this thread. "However, certain entry level discharges still allow you to enlist again based on the RE code."
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CPT Lawrence Cable - that is correct. I knew a person that was separated from the service on active duty due to misconduct (article 15s) but then was able to get in the National Guard some years later through a TAG waiver. Finished his 20 years.
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First, learn to spell the word honorable. There is only a “u” if you’re British, and we beat them a couple hundred years ago.
Second, while the advice not to listen to barracks lawyers is absolutely correct, I’m a real one.
So here’s the answer. You apply first to the Discharge Review Board and if that doesn’t work to the Army Board of Corrections for Military Records (assuming you were Army, each branch has its own).
Second, while the advice not to listen to barracks lawyers is absolutely correct, I’m a real one.
So here’s the answer. You apply first to the Discharge Review Board and if that doesn’t work to the Army Board of Corrections for Military Records (assuming you were Army, each branch has its own).
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1SG Chad Mcdaniel
SGT Frances Richardson it will matter when he applies to the board. It may seem petty (I understood what he was saying no harm no foul here) but trust gramner and spelling mean sonething.
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PV2 Tommy Smith
You have I think 5 years from the discharge date to take it to the Army Discharge Board. It is 15 years the discharge date to take it to the Army Board of Military Correction's. The 15 years can be waived if you had TBI, PTSD, or MST.
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PV2 Tommy Smith - What is the re-enlistment code on your DD214, separation code and narrative?
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PV2,
The General Under Honorable Conditions is only a narrative. However, you need to pay close attention to your separation codes (SC) along with your Reenlistment code (RE). RE codes are usually 1-4. 1 being the best and you may reenlist. 2-3 usually require a waiver for enlistment. This is based on why you were previously discharged. 4 YOU ARE A NO-GO!!! Find another career.
I have experienced this same situation. My first discharge was the same. My first duty station was great, but my chain of command failed me at the time. After my discharge, I waited one year and applied for enlistment with a waiver and went on to complete 25 years of service. Take your long form of your DD214 and speak with the recruiters/Career Counselor if you choose to reenlist. You may also want to inquire about a DD215 form. This is a correction form, that you may apply for to amend your DD214. Hope this information helps.
Scott Barrier
First Sergeant
US Army Ret.
The General Under Honorable Conditions is only a narrative. However, you need to pay close attention to your separation codes (SC) along with your Reenlistment code (RE). RE codes are usually 1-4. 1 being the best and you may reenlist. 2-3 usually require a waiver for enlistment. This is based on why you were previously discharged. 4 YOU ARE A NO-GO!!! Find another career.
I have experienced this same situation. My first discharge was the same. My first duty station was great, but my chain of command failed me at the time. After my discharge, I waited one year and applied for enlistment with a waiver and went on to complete 25 years of service. Take your long form of your DD214 and speak with the recruiters/Career Counselor if you choose to reenlist. You may also want to inquire about a DD215 form. This is a correction form, that you may apply for to amend your DD214. Hope this information helps.
Scott Barrier
First Sergeant
US Army Ret.
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I had 58 days broken service because I didn't know enough about the way things work. You'd better believe that I learned some things, and like you, want to pass on that knowledge. Keep it up. :)
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PO1 (Join to see)
Sometimes, it takes a kick in the ass to realize what you had f'ed up. Maybe this young man took his lickin', and is now ready to keep on tickin'.
Be well.
Be well.
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Also what is your RE code, that has more of an impact with a general Discharge
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SGT Michael Paul
It is your re enlistment code. 1 you are good to go. 3 you need a waiver to re enlist. 4 no chance you are barred from it.
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PO3 David Mabo
PV2 (Join to see) - So you are in the process of discharge. Why? That is the key to changing to an Honrorable. It seldoms happen, as you have to prove it is a mistake. You have been pointed in the right direction, but there are questions to answer.
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SGT Michael Paul - Can confirm that I had no issues re-enlisting after 58 days of broken service, besides waiting for a quota for the detailer. If I was really in a rush, I might have tried driving to a different area.
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SGT Michael Paul
Right it does for sure RE 1 you are good RE3 you need a Waiver most the time RE4 you are pretty much done with any military affiliation.
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"General under HONOURABLE..." - was that from the British, Canadian or Australian forces? Are you on the correct site?
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I've heard many rumors that this can be done after 6 months of your ETS. This couldn't be more wrong!
The DOD is now reviewing those records of those discharged with mental issues.
To upgrade your discharge, you have to prove that the punishment you received was greater than anyone else who had been discharged under the same dispensary action.
I worked as an accredited veterans officer for 14 years. During that time there was only a .4% chance of being successful..
Good luck.
The DOD is now reviewing those records of those discharged with mental issues.
To upgrade your discharge, you have to prove that the punishment you received was greater than anyone else who had been discharged under the same dispensary action.
I worked as an accredited veterans officer for 14 years. During that time there was only a .4% chance of being successful..
Good luck.
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SGT Michael Bond
I totally agree. I was a VSO with the VVA for 13 years (volunteer but certified) and saw this as one of the toughest request that came across my desk. And if a veteran is successful and gets the upgrade the RE code could be a problem. I know this veteran wasn't discharged during the use of SPN codes that can be a real deal killer. Plus an E2.. maybe another enlistment isn't a good idea.
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SSG James N.
undue command influence on a LTC and a CPT will play a major part in success. A pre shelved general who knows his career is done will retaliate with commanding using undue command influence as retaliation for leaving with no follow on assignment. When does a an appeal include a 2 star using undue command influence?
Some cases will simply go full send
Some cases will simply go full send
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SrA Nicole Dedick
Yeah I had my last command trying to force me out on a General Discharge. I had senior personnel even telling me to "take it, I can get it upgraded in 6 mos." My gut instinct was telling me not to fall for it & I didn't. Thank God. I wrote my Congresswoman & told her how I had been subjected to article 15s, being reprimanded to hold up my promotions (amongst other things) then to top it off, TWO WEEKS before starting terminal leave, my commander decides he wants to kick me out on a General. Well after all of that, her office got involved & shortly thereafter I have my commander pulling me aside after a Commander's Call telling me "he decided to let me have my honorable discharge." Yeah ok "he" decided
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PV2 Tommy Smith
SrA Nicole Dedick -
Man I saw in the 70's people like you get drummed up on charges in Germany who had medical profiles. They would fimd a reason to give you an order that went against the profile than charge you with disobeying the order and discharge you. I saw it happen 3 times.
Man I saw in the 70's people like you get drummed up on charges in Germany who had medical profiles. They would fimd a reason to give you an order that went against the profile than charge you with disobeying the order and discharge you. I saw it happen 3 times.
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You don't. All the platitudes they give you while being discharged are a lie. Unless the Art-15 or Med-Board was somehow done improperly you will never wear a uniform for Uncle Sam again. Best to reinvest in hobbies and move on with life.
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Cpl Vic Burk
I can't say for certain about other branches but I did see a guy get back to active duty when I was in the Marines that had a General Discharge. He had to appeal to the Navy Discharge Review board. They told him he had to earn it and he was allowed to re-enlist in the Marines for a period of two years to upgrade the discharge to honorable. I don't know all the details but it can be done. He told me it took almost three years. This is the only case I am personally aware of.
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Cpl Henry Busby
SPC (Join to see) - Since 1918 certain rules were readjusted to compensate for what some veterans have faced mentally. Multiple deployments do take their toll. That is why these rules and regulations have been readjusted, especially in the area of healthcare and SSVF services.
https://www.va.gov/HEALTHBENEFITS/resources/publications/IB10-448_other_than_honorable_discharges5_17.pdf
https://www.va.gov/HEALTHBENEFITS/resources/publications/IB10-448_other_than_honorable_discharges5_17.pdf
IB10-448_other_than_honorable_discharges5_17.pdf
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