Posted on Oct 8, 2016
How do we keep another Presidential race like this one from happening again?
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How do we get those who really need to be in the White House, in the White House? Clearly the established elite parties are not giving us fitting choices. Can we, as citizens, change this? How do we do this?
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We've always had the power to change it in our hands. We simply haven't been motivated to change it. Nor have we any idea of how to change it. A few of us want to strip away the unconstitutional institutions of government that have grown up in the past century. Reduce government and government spending to its bare minimum and allow the people to do what we do best, build a healthy and thriving nation and economy. Others want to build even more government, thinking that the failure of government has been the result of depriving intellectuals of the money they need to build a better nation as they conceive it. I'm sure there are a hundred other plans falling somewhere in between. Sadly, most of us simply are too confused to choose and we let others do the choosing for us. The result: More of the same.
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SSG (Join to see)
I agree that we've always had the power in our own hands. It's almost maddening that we don't do anything. I do have a question, though. If we are too confused to even change it, are we too many and too uneducated to hold up a system where the government doesn't have a lot of control? It's an interesting conundrum.
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CPT Jack Durish
SSG (Join to see) - Don't blame the uneducated. Blame the intellectuals who feel that it is their God-given right to rule over the uneducated masses. It's the same reasoning that every tyrant, king, emperor, Pope, and dictator has always used to justify their mastery. Then go read The Wisdom of Crowds. We the People are capable of governing ourselves. We simply need leaders who will instill that belief in us and then stand out of the way and let us have at it. BTW, if such a leader should ever throw their hat in the ring, gather round and protect them from the blood sport that American political campaigns have become. Until that happens, no decent person will ever step up and make the attempt.
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We also need people to stop depending on the government for every little thing, there's state governments too!
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
Alexander Hamilton said it best, " if men were angels, we would not need government".
So in short, get rid of the crooks and by default the government would shrink in kind
So in short, get rid of the crooks and by default the government would shrink in kind
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The media has a lot to do with elections like this. The media no longer informs us or provides oversight for the people like originally intended. The framers wrote in the federalist papers that the constitution was for an informed and educated people and the fact that an overwhelming majority of people don't know their rights or the constitution and powers of gov't and how limited their power should be allows gov't to do whatever with no say if the people or proper oversight of the media. I think it starts with a change in the moral climate and a shift in attitude that way people get more engaged and involved with politics whether they like it or not they should realize the importance of elections. Voter turnout is horrible and I think it's because of everything I just mentioned.
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SSG (Join to see) - Sure. Emphasis on the "informed" part though because although people of the time of our founding fathers were not very educated they were incredibly informed in the powers of gov't and their rights because they were fresh out of a war with a tyrannical gov't that had previously impinged their rights. It's for that reason that the founding fathers use disgustingly clear language in the constitution so as to not have it be misconstrued (which somehow still happens today) and also wrote the federalist papers so that the people were well informed in their voting decisions.
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TSgt Frank Shirley - Exactly. Instead of putting politics aside in order to properly do oversight like they are supposed to.
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SPC Erich Guenther
I agree with you and if you want I can go over a single Obama Administration issue and show or demonstrate how it was distorted by the LEFT and the RIGHT over the last 8 years........any interest in that? In that issue both the RIGHT and the LEFT wing press would distort each bullet and explain it to their audience in a way that was highly partisan. The truth was always somewhere in between.
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SPC Erich Guenther - Yeah. I don't mean to discredit what you're saying at all but it's blatantly obvious now that both left and right appeal to only their agenda under the claim of being fair and balanced when we all know it's bs. But I agree completely.
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What would you suggest as to what at the needs are? In theory, the needs vary with global and domestic situations. Each election, the citizens have to make the determination who is best suited of the candidates by way of the primary processes. There were many candidates early on. If there is a major flaw in the process, it's that there are 50 state procedures. If all states had to divvy up the electoral votes on a proportional basis, it would be more competitive for all. As to press coverage, they go where the action is. 1st amendment and all that stuff. There is nothing to prevent anyone from contributing to their favorite candidate, why don't they? No doubt there are better candidates, but how many have the funding and could stand the scrutiny of operatives going through you history with a microscope? Bear in mind, Trump was not the choice of the establishment Republicans, in fact, fought him right up to the formal nomination. That was done by the power of the citizenry.
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SSG (Join to see)
Ahhh yes that happens but Clinton was the overwhelming choice of her party and I propose she is also not fit. I also don't believe the press simply goes where the action is. They too have an agenda to support and will do whatever it takes to support that agenda.
Why is it all not a popular vote. Why should there be anything BUT that? Isn't that what an election by the people really boils down to? You tell people to vote for whoever they want for every office and whoever comes out on top in a popular vote, wins.
Why is it all not a popular vote. Why should there be anything BUT that? Isn't that what an election by the people really boils down to? You tell people to vote for whoever they want for every office and whoever comes out on top in a popular vote, wins.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SSG (Join to see) - Each party has different rules. The Democrats have a large number of Superdelegates and most are political elites, Congress people and those that will follow the DNC establishment desires. Yes the fix was in and based on the polls, quite satisfactory to the Democrat voters. As to the press agenda, we are seeing the power of the press. They are predominantly in the tank for Hillary, but Trump got the publicity.
As to the reasons for the electoral college, a quick refresher course on why would help. The Founders knew what they were doing to make the process fair for all states regardless of their size, and to make sure the ignorant masses were not unduly influenced by outsiders. If we went for popular vote, the same counties would determine the president every time and small states and those in flyover country would not be represented. BTW, with the exception of the presidential elections, the popular vote is how it is done.
As to the reasons for the electoral college, a quick refresher course on why would help. The Founders knew what they were doing to make the process fair for all states regardless of their size, and to make sure the ignorant masses were not unduly influenced by outsiders. If we went for popular vote, the same counties would determine the president every time and small states and those in flyover country would not be represented. BTW, with the exception of the presidential elections, the popular vote is how it is done.
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