Posted on Feb 18, 2014
SFC Anabel Cepero
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I joined the Army as the BDUs were in the last steps of being phased out. I didn't get to experience the starching and ironing of my uniform or the shining of my boots. Many have told me that they took pride in these "tedious" tasks and that even if it was mundane the BDUs were way better.

Personally, I do not like the way the ACUs are made, the velcro doesn't last long and I know it says they have a wear life of 6 months, but I'm lucky if they look good for two. Also, it says they are "wrinkle free", I beg to differ. Basically I think they look atrocious and a waste of money. I know we can come up with a better uniform than this.

What's your opinion and what would you change?
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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When we transitioned from BDU/DCUs over to the ACUs it was one of the worst decisions that the Army made...a majority of people lost pride in the appearance because of the wash and wear mentality of the inferior quality of the ACUs, as well as the switch to the tan desert boots. I used to take real pride in my appearance, not only as an NCO but as a young PFC and SPC, Sunday mornings were my time to get myself looking sharp for Mondays work call formation, and it would only take me 1-2 hours to starch my uniform and spit shine my boots. It was just the self-discipline that had been instilled in me. Granted, a starched uni and glass-like boots didn't always tell the full story of an individual Soldier, but it was a quick way to see who really gave a shit about looking like a Soldier. A quick buff from a cloth diaper and my boots were good to go for the entire week, and the uniform would still look as good on Wed as it did on Mon...just the ramblings of an older, retired Soldier, but our Army lost a bit of itself when we switched.....
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CSM Michael Poll
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To be perfectly honest I do not like the ACU's at all. I wish we could go back tothe BDU style uniform as it is more durable.  I do not care about the pattern used as long as it is condusive with, well, Camoflage.  I personally like the Multicam pattern but would like it on  more sturdy uniform that has absolutly NO velcro.  I prefer the black boots that needed to be polished as well, but That is a different debate.
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I wish we could go back to the BDUs
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SFC James Baber
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point blank, they are garbage, I understand the concept that many supporters claim they are a utility uniform, but so were the BDUs and they could also be made to look professional when needed, something the ACUs will never, ever accomplish. We need to get rid of them and go back to what was successful for over 3 decades compared to something that was considered crap from the 1st year of use.
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SFC Communications Chief (S6)
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SFC Baber, if we start splitting up uniformity across an organization would that not break unit cohesion? And is public limited to an office job? I'm an S-6 NCO, were I to be called from the office to perform troubleshooting would i be looked down upon for needing to take a few extra minutes to change my uniform? What about if i were to be fixing the broken printer, and ink powder explodes over my ASU's; I don't see it as bringing pride to the uniform to be all inked up on a dry clean only uniform

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SSG Cbrn Nco/Training Room Nco
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I believe the ACU's are a terrible uniform. I truely miss my BDU and DCU uniforms. I can even go so far as to say I liked my multicam....The ones I was issued held up better then ACU and the pattern was bettern in my opinion. I hope the Army changes in a hurry.
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SFC James Baber
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SGT P.,


You seem to be looking to try and come up with excuses for not showing pride in your uniform for the reason to not have to or want to wear a non-utility uniform, again the common sense factor comes into play, I can tell by your demeanor and comments you have not been in long enough to remember the days of morning formation inspections in the motor pool and having to do maintenance, most people did 1 of 2 things, they brought a pair of coveralls with them to the MP to save their hard work from the weekend, or they did a quick change in the parking lot of boots and/or BDU tops. The same would work for an S-6 NCO having to go somewhere to troubleshoot,1st no one would look down on you for taking the few minutes to change or put on a pair of overalls to work on equipment or change a toner cartridge out that "could explode" as you mentioned, instead of making excuses, you should be thinking and devising ways to be proactive for the issue instead of looking for a reason to say I shouldn't have to be wearing my ASUs for my duty uniform.


For many years, even before BDUs, the duty uniform for many were khaki's in garrison and the field uniform for motor pool, details, and field type jobs while in garrison, and no one complained about someone who had to or needed to change. This is part of the issue with the new generation of Soldiers, they have become lazy in garrison environment, while they may be a stud when deployed and have fast tracked on their promotions based on what they accomplished while deployed and in combat, they are also lackadaisical on performing to standards while back in garrison or accepting what was the standard before we spent last 13 years in dual wars. They say it is a stronger more intelligent forces, but many times they new breed are too smart for their own good as they are more concerned with looking on how to get out of doing what is standard more the they are concerned with enforcing the standards and getting back to basics and standards that work and were functional for generations before they came along.


You need to take a step back and take a look at the whole picture and not what you want and how it affects you, but what the military overall is affected in regards to professionalism and how they look and are perceived and believe it or not the look of the military is not in a good light with the way uniforms look and are perceived.

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SFC Communications Chief (S6)
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SFC Baber, the point i'm trying to convey is perhaps we're creating more problems than we're solving. As for my demeanor, I believe in efficiency. I go to my place of business everyday with the primary purpose of conducting said business; not with the primary purpose of looking good. I also disagree with the idea that wearing a high maintenance uniform for the sake of looking professional while hindering work deemed as unclean does not building discipline, it displays it. This alone would debunk the majority of arguments against the ACU uniform. For the Record my first unit was in Fort Drum. I arrived approximately 2 weeks before the main unit deployed. My maintenance time was spent trudging through the snow. Take that as you will, but we all don't experience the Army the same therefor shouldn't be limited merely to yours.
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IMO Digital ACU's are the lazy persons uniform and are no more than digital puke sacks, the way they are made nothing is even on most of them, patrol caps are normally off center in the bills. The tan suede boots are good in hot sandy climates but suck to high heaven everywhere else especially in wet climates.

Back in the day we took pride in our uniforms and was taught that the uniform represented our great country. Also you could normally gauge a soldier by his appearance and how well he took care of his uniform. Yes it takes time to iron a uniform and spit shine boots, and IMO it was well worth the time.

I still have a couple of pairs of well pressed BDU's sitting in the closet and a pair of Jump Boots that are 25 years old and I can still see the gleam from the shine on them.
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SGT Mitch McKinley
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Great post 1SG. And while my jump boots may not be 25 years old...they are in my closet highly shined, and I have been out for 10 years. 
My 12 year old son wants them as a keep-sake. So i told him I would go to a surplus store, buy him a pair and teach him how to shine them properly. 
He doesn't want a pair anymore. LOL
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CSM Chris McKeown
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Hooh, Sgt McKinley. It's in my will to be buried in my Jump Boots,  lol.  My 17 son went through that stage around 13, today he knows how to spit shine shoes for his dress blues and has joined the South Carolina State Guard.
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I remember having sets of BDUs for years. If you took care of them they lasted forever. You are lucky to get a year out of this stupid digital abortion.

I agree with the others on here when we moved from the BDU to ACU we lost a lot of our professional appearance. It was a lot easier to figure out who to watch when their uniform was always jacked up and their boots were always nasty. Any Leader could pay attention and home in on a problem Soldier with a quickness.

I wish they would bring them back - I still have my favorite pair of jungle boots spit shined sitting in my garage. LOL.
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I bought a new set of BDU's after i ripped the back of one of my jackets on a nail. I have yet to purchase additional ACU's; I've been working through the replacement uniforms I received in Iraq in 2008, some of which still have the good velcro back when it actually was as such, and not the Army's version of it to save patent money.

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The main issue I have with the ACU is the pattern.  The functionality is fine, for a combat uniform. Sure I remember the days of starching the BDUs in garrison, and hours of shining boots and taking pride in how they looked...but the real problem is the camo pattern. It does not work well in ANY environment.  The BDU and DCU worked better than the ACU. OCP(multicam) works thousands of times better, and that's why Britain adopted it right away. Camouflage is meant to do just that. If it does not work, scrap it. If you care about looking good in garrison, then I think the prioritizes are a little off.
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SFC Anabel Cepero
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SSG Heenan,

I agree that the pattern does not work. I don't think it's about people necessarily caring on how if they look good, but more if they look professional. No one wants to look a hot mess. 
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I joined the Army in 1999. When I got to my first unit at Fort Drum, NY I was taught that the appearance of my uniform was a direct reflection of my own motivation, dedication, and respect for the military service. I was taught very quickly some tricks of the trade for starching and ironing my BDUs and for polishing my boots. I can remember getting inspected by my leadership at morning formation and the look on their faces that told me that they respected the pride that I took in my uniform and myself.

 

I remember passing those lessons on to my Soldiers when I became a Team Leader and my Squad Leader giving me the pat on the back when my team looked squared away every morning.

 

I have deployed wearing DCUs, ACUs, and MultiCam. Now, I understand the concept behind ACUs and how they are set up to be a more combat friendly uniform. The chest pockets are much to get to when you're wearing body armor and the additional pockets on the legs are pretty useful for maps and markers or even an extra magazine. That being said, the ACUs are absolutely terrible as a garrison uniform. Not to sound like a broken record, but the Velcro is horrible and wears out way too fast. Soldiers end up with the cuffs of their blouses flapping around and the top Velcro always flaps open and looks awful.

 

Of course I get the concept of taking care of your uniform and making it as presentable and professional looking as possible, but ACUs don't really make that easy to do. I miss BDUs and I always will. It was said that ACUs were also going to save Soldiers money, but I believe that it costs them ore money to get Velcro replaced and zippers fixed. Not to mention that tan boots are almost impossible to keep clean. Yes, they make cleaning kits for them, but they don't work very well at all.

 

Bottom line is that BDUs were a much better garrison uniform and were a lot easier to maintain. Let's just hope the powers that be listen to voice of the masses and go back to them. ACUs not only cost Soldiers more money, but look at how much money it cost to make them and replace BDUs. Not really worth the price in my opinion.

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SPC Dan Goforth
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SFC Van Natta, my response for the boots is to make them a much darker brown, or black suede.  I'm still for a uniform similar to the BDU though.  They should have at least kept the material.
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SPC Goforth, I am in a Joint unit now and some of the Navy personnel here have black suede boots. They don't look bad and they have said they those boots aren't as hot as some would think. So, I agree with having black suede boots. I don't know about a darker brown. I totally agree about keeping the BDU material. I'm not so much worried about what pattern we have. I care about being able to make it look sharp and professional.
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I would gladly go back to the BDUs.  I actually looked forward to preparing my uniform every week.  From shining boots to getting the sharpest crease, you could tell who cared about their appearance. 

 

These days, you can just pull your uniform out of the dryer and throw it on.  Some people don't even bother to take off their patches before they wash their uniform.  That's a big pet peeve of mine.  I can't stand to see a wrinkled up unit patch on a uniform.  I like some of the features in the ACU's but overall they are garbage.

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The ACU is the worst military uniform I have ever seen. As an aviator I get a birdseye view of soldiers and I can tell you that those wearing the ACU stick out like a sore thumb. It has ZERO camauflage ability. The uniform itself is not made well. It's iron free design always looks like you just pulled it out of the laundry, The collar diesn't stay down. Junk, junk junk.... Waste of tax payers $$$
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SFC Craig Dalen
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It was the same as when the Army switched to the Beret. It made no sense. All it accomplished was making things more expensive and pointless.
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