Posted on Mar 16, 2018
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I recently encountered a junior soldier who wore a patch I didn't recognize who was walking around outside in a VERY ate-up uniform. I showed him my ID card and identified myself and explained to him where he was wrong and asked him to correct the deficiencies. At which point, the soldier told me to go f*** myself and then tried to fight me. Now, the grunt in me got really excited and couldn't wait to wall-to-wall this young soldier, but the professional in me simply wouldn't allow it. So I asked what unit the soldier belonged to, to which he responded "To your f***ing mama, b****." Now RP Leaders, how would you suggest I go about rectifying this situation, or should I simply leave it be and let the Karma catch up with him?

**ADMIN NOTE** I still have not been able to find the patch and it's corresponding unit, so I have no way of finding this soldier's Command.
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SPC Pietrantonio,
Just for my curiosity's sake, how many times during a calendar month does someone kick your a*s? As you aren't an NCO but seem to stick your nose into everything, I would suspect it to be a fairly common occurrence. You need to consider becoming either an NCO or an MP. I love MPs after I observed them locking up the post-commander for a DUI. We are all equal (or equally worthless) in their sight and what you seem to always be doing is (or was) part and parcel of their daily duties. They may not care to have a man of your sensibilities in their platoon but hell, they know what to do in those situations better than we do. Be careful should you find yourself alone during grenade qualification.
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With all due respect Sir, as a commissioned officer, you should know better than most that GMA applies to everyone and exempts no one. In this instance, and at the time, I was still in the Army, and was attempting to do the RIGHT thing by correcting a deficiency in a lower-ranking soldier. But then again, I've seen the standards in the Officer ranks and quite frankly, I'm not surprised that you view things the way that you do.
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You are correct about most officers, but as a SPC you have absolutely no supervisory function. If you were a corporal it would be different, but you are not an NCO. I disapprove of private soldiers (normally those below E-5) correcting other private soldiers. Spend your time working towards becoming an NCO or "Green to Gold".
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SGT David Racette
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It may be a patch from another branch of service, or a NG unit.
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SSG Dave Johnston
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Have you ever looked though the National Guard's collection of Distinguished Unit Insignias(DUI's)? And it may be possible the individual could very well have been a member of the NG. … and one last thing to remember concerning the Reserve and Guard components of the Armed Forces; They do in 48 hours what Active Duty does in 22 days.
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CW4 John Beebe, BS, DML
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SPC,
Something to consider is that this was a HS JROTC cadet. I see them daily walking home off the bus in completely disheveled uniforms and representing the ghetto more than the Service Branch they are wearing the uniform of. If you didn't recognize the patch, that may be why. If you know the JROTC patches (they differ by branch) in your area, you can contact their HS JROTC Leadership and, well things may get handled. If not, the likelihood of a perpetrator in uniform committing a stolen-valor offense is very high. As COL Harris stated, get a picture. As much as most of us that were NCO's or junior leader get riled up quickly and getting a picture is the last thing on our mind (verses mopping the floor with that insubordinate, disrespectful, pile of refuse), we still need a record. Deep Breath, then think. Remember: Command Voice, not Command Yell Down The Block, Drill Sergeant. I hope this helps.

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Thank you Chief! I hadn't considered JROTC. Butt you're absolutely right. My knee-jerk response was to wipe the walls with him.
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CW4 Craig Urban
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We are all army. I would call the MP's.
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SSgt Doug LeKander
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This is prepping you for the 1stCivDiv. Walking turds everywhere.
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1SG George Wever
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Effidently this happened off post, I as an old retiree would of called the cops for him being disrespectful and treathning me. And you would of found out his true character. Someone like him does not need be in any branch of the military
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Sgt James Walters
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forget trying to go after this soldier. you need to concentrate on understanding the UCMJ and develop the leadership skills to handle a situation like this in the correct manner.
now you did not state where you encountered this soldier, if on base the MP's would be called and I would at the very least get his commands Sgt.Maj's contact information. if out in town and he is active duty he would be needing a visit or two to dental.
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SFC Wesley Tankersley
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I find it amazing that you were able to keep your military bearing in this situation being a SPC. So I am guessing that this would be soldier is a PFC or PVT ? Was the incident on post or off ? I would hope that if this happened at the food court in the Exchange that there would have been other more senior NCO's that could have intervened and set this individual straight. It almost sounds like a case of "Stolen Valor" especially if cannot identify the shoulder unit patch. If you would like I would like to see the pic of the patch ? SFC. (Ret.) Tankersley Email me at: [login to see]
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PO3 Ryan Gilbert
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I think it’s stolen valor. The lack of discipline shows that. If he is active duty than I think it’s just an example of the millennial generation. I’ve been out for a while now but I remember during my time that sort of disrespect didn’t happen no matter what branch the senior person was in.
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MSgt Don Dobbs
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I had a very similar response from an Airman who called me nothing but a piddelyassed Sgt. Being a professional NCO I placed this individual under apprehension (arrest) and contacted the SPs. I filled out a statement and pressed charges. The SPs locked him up. Later his CO contacted me and asked if I would drop the charges, I told him no and he asked me why. I stated sir if he spoke to you like that would you drop the charges? His CO art 15d him. You don't have to wait for anyone and IAW the UCMJ you can use force to detain the individual.
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