Posted on Mar 16, 2018
How do you handle a disrespectful junior soldier that doesn't belong to you?
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I recently encountered a junior soldier who wore a patch I didn't recognize who was walking around outside in a VERY ate-up uniform. I showed him my ID card and identified myself and explained to him where he was wrong and asked him to correct the deficiencies. At which point, the soldier told me to go f*** myself and then tried to fight me. Now, the grunt in me got really excited and couldn't wait to wall-to-wall this young soldier, but the professional in me simply wouldn't allow it. So I asked what unit the soldier belonged to, to which he responded "To your f***ing mama, b****." Now RP Leaders, how would you suggest I go about rectifying this situation, or should I simply leave it be and let the Karma catch up with him?
**ADMIN NOTE** I still have not been able to find the patch and it's corresponding unit, so I have no way of finding this soldier's Command.
**ADMIN NOTE** I still have not been able to find the patch and it's corresponding unit, so I have no way of finding this soldier's Command.
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Can you draw a picture of it, can't imagine not able to find it internet makes it easy, did you search thoroughly? not trying to insult, just thinking aloud. could it have been a foreign military patch?
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I agree with Col. Harris,
Try to get a picture. I am unclear if this was off base or on base? If on base, there is a simple solution, call the MP's especially if the individual is severely Indignant and Obviously disrespectful to authority figures, see how he likes the attitude of the MP's as he disrespects them and they drag his sorry tail to either the brig or his commanding officer.
I shudder to think that he could have been a case of "Stolen Valor", I can't stand the thought of it... if that is the case, I suggest, an old fashioned smack down... jmho ( not that it would be right to strike anyone, I think there is an exception to those who "Steal Valor" by claiming Military affiliation of some sort).
Sorry if this offends anyone.
Try to get a picture. I am unclear if this was off base or on base? If on base, there is a simple solution, call the MP's especially if the individual is severely Indignant and Obviously disrespectful to authority figures, see how he likes the attitude of the MP's as he disrespects them and they drag his sorry tail to either the brig or his commanding officer.
I shudder to think that he could have been a case of "Stolen Valor", I can't stand the thought of it... if that is the case, I suggest, an old fashioned smack down... jmho ( not that it would be right to strike anyone, I think there is an exception to those who "Steal Valor" by claiming Military affiliation of some sort).
Sorry if this offends anyone.
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A fish rots from the head down. That behavior is a reflection of his leadership as well.
Can you describe the patch?
Can you describe the patch?
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Maybe it's a diffent military than when I was in but why wouldn't you continue to exercise your authority up to and including detaining said young gentleman and getting the MPs involved if necessary. How can we maintain the integrity of our authority (military leadership's authority) and command structure if this is allowed.
If a soldier balks at this how much more if they are ordered into harm's way. It wouldn't make me feel good about serving with them.
I am not suggesting this should be handled with anything except respect but it should be handled quickly and with authority. Leaders must be leaders. Military service is quite reasonable when people conduct themselves appropriately. When they don't then life does, or at least should get quite uncomfortable for them.
If a soldier balks at this how much more if they are ordered into harm's way. It wouldn't make me feel good about serving with them.
I am not suggesting this should be handled with anything except respect but it should be handled quickly and with authority. Leaders must be leaders. Military service is quite reasonable when people conduct themselves appropriately. When they don't then life does, or at least should get quite uncomfortable for them.
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Hahahahahahahaha, sounds like you're the one with the ego, Specialist. Let him alone to go his own way; by your own admission, you're not much better than he is. You're still trying to find his superiors just so you can snitch on him and get back at him because your ego was bruised. Shrug it off, and let his own unit deal with him.
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To correct your egregious oversight; I was seeking guidance from other leaders on how I should have handled it. Not on how to find him, nor on how to -- as you so worded it -- snitch on him. Now, as a PFC, I know you have the time in service of my boot laces, so allow me to clarify the situation you have now chosen to ignorantly chime in on:
The military has a standard. For the uniform. For conduct. For honor. Now, given your defense of a soldier in this uniform acting like a total sleaze, I can presume you are one of those "trouble with authority" types, or that you simply don't comprehend that, while not a Noncommissioned Officer rank, the Specialist rank is still above that I've PFC, PV2 and PVT. And yes, correction is given at ALL levels. This is what General Military Authority is in place for.
Now, as to the follow on for this cretin, it did come to light many months later that he belonged to a National Guard CBRN unit from Michigan. And that at the time that I spotted him, he had been kicked out of the military approximately 2 months prior.
Now, before you choose to make comments without doing a little fact-finding of your own and thereby making yourself look like a jackass for the world to see, I encourage you to think like a leader, learn the information and make informed and composite inferences and suggestions from there.
But hey, what do I know? I've only been a team leader for over 2 years, and held a NCO position for that duration as well.
The military has a standard. For the uniform. For conduct. For honor. Now, given your defense of a soldier in this uniform acting like a total sleaze, I can presume you are one of those "trouble with authority" types, or that you simply don't comprehend that, while not a Noncommissioned Officer rank, the Specialist rank is still above that I've PFC, PV2 and PVT. And yes, correction is given at ALL levels. This is what General Military Authority is in place for.
Now, as to the follow on for this cretin, it did come to light many months later that he belonged to a National Guard CBRN unit from Michigan. And that at the time that I spotted him, he had been kicked out of the military approximately 2 months prior.
Now, before you choose to make comments without doing a little fact-finding of your own and thereby making yourself look like a jackass for the world to see, I encourage you to think like a leader, learn the information and make informed and composite inferences and suggestions from there.
But hey, what do I know? I've only been a team leader for over 2 years, and held a NCO position for that duration as well.
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Also, as a side note; how would I have let his unit deal with him, without informing this of his misconduct while out of their AO, had he not been previously relieved of his duties of service?
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SPC (Join to see) - Oh boy, a lengthy and heated response, looks like I touched a nerve, or several. I don't have oversight on this, just an objective perspective. If you truly wanted to know how you should have handled it, you could've simply asked your own unit, your first sergeant, or even your immediate superiors. Instead you're on Rallypoint, crying about the situation and expecting to get all this support and pats on the back, or whatever. I guess Rallypoint is the Facebook for veterans?
The military has a standard, yes, a standard that everyone fails, including yourself, and I can tell you that as a chaplain, I've truly seen it all, from ALL perspectives, and as such I have a....broader understanding than yourself on the matter. Perhaps the soldier was asinine or perhaps you should've minded your own business, the fact remains is that it isn't your place to try and find him or his unit to punish him; think of it as different jurisdiction. You *were* trying to snitch on him because your ego got bruised.
As for myself, I find it cute that you're trying (and failing) to intimidate me with your spade rank. Am I a PFC? Am I? Or maybe I'm an officer with an unverified PFC rank, pretending to be small so I can blend in with the lower grades and see what's what; it behooves a Chaplain to understand the mindset of his junior soldiers, after all.
I do have a problem with authority, or rather, being as my personality is INTJ, I have a serious problem with incompetent authority. I've no problem with authority that is competent and efficient and effective, but I'd rather jump off a bridge than follow a moron into battle, especially if said moron is going to endanger lives because of his stupidity, and perhaps unlike yourself specialist, I've been in a warzone; it's no joke.
You're right, correction is given at all levels, and I'm giving it now to you. What was my advice to you? "Let him alone to go his own way; by your own admission, you're not much better than he is. You're still trying to find his superiors just so you can snitch on him and get back at him because your ego was bruised. Shrug it off, and let his own unit deal with him."
And by your own statement, "it did come to light many months later that he belonged to a National Guard CBRN unit from Michigan. And that at the time that I spotted him, he had been kicked out of the military approximately 2 months prior."
Well there you have it, soldier. The problem took care of itself, despite your attempts to track him down. His own unit dealt with him, because his behavior wasn't a one-off, but a symptom of a deeper problem.
"But hey, what do I know? I've only been a team leader for over 2 years, and held a NCO position for that duration as well." It's a shame Rallypoint doesn't have emojis, because I'd be putting a laughing emoji and a facepalm right about now. With all due respect, your team leader status and position doesn't mean shit in light of this discussion, hence the reason why you're asking other people for advice and instruction in the first place.
"Now, before you choose to make comments without doing a little fact-finding of your own and thereby making yourself look like a jackass for the world to see, I encourage you to think like a leader"
I would advise you to take your own advice, and further, to read your statements out loud before you post them in a place where officers (ahem) will be reading them. Suffice to say, rank is largely meaningless anyways outside of experience; if anything, the Obama Presidency has proven this beyond all doubt, as the title of supreme commander of the military was handed to a complete buffoon who disrespected our military far greater than any disgruntled and dejected veteran like those you've encountered. Whether I'm an officer or you're an enlisted, it doesn't make a lick of difference when we're forced to kiss the asses of government civilians elected by incompetent buffoons to give us orders.
"Also, as a side note; how would I have let his unit deal with him, without informing this of his misconduct while out of their AO, had he not been previously relieved of his duties of service?"
That is the easiest of all to understand, my dear soldier. "Truth will out", as they say; you cannot hide a bad personality, nor the wickedness or goodness of one's soul. Sooner or later, what is in your heart and mind will be reflected in your words and actions, and whether you're a genuinely good soldier or a piece of trash, it will be reflected in your conduct and behavior, in how you conduct *yourself* among others, both to your superiors AND subordinates, and if YOU, a stranger were able to see the chinks in his disguise, then his unit DEFINITELY would, and would undoubtedly (and did) take care of the matter.
Carry on, Team Leader.
The military has a standard, yes, a standard that everyone fails, including yourself, and I can tell you that as a chaplain, I've truly seen it all, from ALL perspectives, and as such I have a....broader understanding than yourself on the matter. Perhaps the soldier was asinine or perhaps you should've minded your own business, the fact remains is that it isn't your place to try and find him or his unit to punish him; think of it as different jurisdiction. You *were* trying to snitch on him because your ego got bruised.
As for myself, I find it cute that you're trying (and failing) to intimidate me with your spade rank. Am I a PFC? Am I? Or maybe I'm an officer with an unverified PFC rank, pretending to be small so I can blend in with the lower grades and see what's what; it behooves a Chaplain to understand the mindset of his junior soldiers, after all.
I do have a problem with authority, or rather, being as my personality is INTJ, I have a serious problem with incompetent authority. I've no problem with authority that is competent and efficient and effective, but I'd rather jump off a bridge than follow a moron into battle, especially if said moron is going to endanger lives because of his stupidity, and perhaps unlike yourself specialist, I've been in a warzone; it's no joke.
You're right, correction is given at all levels, and I'm giving it now to you. What was my advice to you? "Let him alone to go his own way; by your own admission, you're not much better than he is. You're still trying to find his superiors just so you can snitch on him and get back at him because your ego was bruised. Shrug it off, and let his own unit deal with him."
And by your own statement, "it did come to light many months later that he belonged to a National Guard CBRN unit from Michigan. And that at the time that I spotted him, he had been kicked out of the military approximately 2 months prior."
Well there you have it, soldier. The problem took care of itself, despite your attempts to track him down. His own unit dealt with him, because his behavior wasn't a one-off, but a symptom of a deeper problem.
"But hey, what do I know? I've only been a team leader for over 2 years, and held a NCO position for that duration as well." It's a shame Rallypoint doesn't have emojis, because I'd be putting a laughing emoji and a facepalm right about now. With all due respect, your team leader status and position doesn't mean shit in light of this discussion, hence the reason why you're asking other people for advice and instruction in the first place.
"Now, before you choose to make comments without doing a little fact-finding of your own and thereby making yourself look like a jackass for the world to see, I encourage you to think like a leader"
I would advise you to take your own advice, and further, to read your statements out loud before you post them in a place where officers (ahem) will be reading them. Suffice to say, rank is largely meaningless anyways outside of experience; if anything, the Obama Presidency has proven this beyond all doubt, as the title of supreme commander of the military was handed to a complete buffoon who disrespected our military far greater than any disgruntled and dejected veteran like those you've encountered. Whether I'm an officer or you're an enlisted, it doesn't make a lick of difference when we're forced to kiss the asses of government civilians elected by incompetent buffoons to give us orders.
"Also, as a side note; how would I have let his unit deal with him, without informing this of his misconduct while out of their AO, had he not been previously relieved of his duties of service?"
That is the easiest of all to understand, my dear soldier. "Truth will out", as they say; you cannot hide a bad personality, nor the wickedness or goodness of one's soul. Sooner or later, what is in your heart and mind will be reflected in your words and actions, and whether you're a genuinely good soldier or a piece of trash, it will be reflected in your conduct and behavior, in how you conduct *yourself* among others, both to your superiors AND subordinates, and if YOU, a stranger were able to see the chinks in his disguise, then his unit DEFINITELY would, and would undoubtedly (and did) take care of the matter.
Carry on, Team Leader.
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Hahahahahahahaha, sounds like you're the one with the ego, Specialist. Let him alone to go his own way; by your own admission, you're not much better than he is. You're still trying to find his superiors just so you can snitch on him and get back at him because your ego was bruised. Shrug it off, and let his own unit deal with him.
Since you didn't do anything at that time, there isn't much that can be done now. You should have noted name and grade and looked him up in a base alpha roster.
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Retired SGT and Navy Petty Officer from the old school. With the fluffy new Army way he would have to be ignored and walked away even though deep within I would want to do what the Dear Lord would chastise me for! It's doubtful he is even a soldier maybe call Security for a check.
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I'm too old school (1969 Navy) to have this rag bag ASVP waivered dirt bag address me. It's called counseling by the Braille method
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I agree. Stolen valor. I respect your professionalism. But sometimes one has to take out the trash.
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