Posted on Dec 30, 2015
How do you handle a situation where a peer E-5 has failed in his duties?
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Here's my situation I had once and was wondering how others would have dealt with it.
On a Friday night receive a call from the Plt Sgt telling you to go to the barracks as he has been called by another Plt Sgt in your company stating that one of the soldiers in your platoon has an exceptionally dirty room and his roommate from the other platoon has finally gotten tire of cleaning up after him and called his leadership.
The reason the Plt Sgt has called you in you are the only NCO who lives on post and is the most reliable to answer his/her phone on a Friday night and willing to fix an issue right then and there.
You get to the barracks room to find the SPC from another platoon standing by waiting with his leadership, but the private in your platoon who created the mess has popped smoke and ran off into town as soon as he heard his roommate call his leadership.
The common area of the room is a complete mess with bags of trash from the PVT's room, and there is a horrible smell coming from the PVT's room. you open the PVT's door to his room and find dirty clothes and half empty food containers littering the room.
Take note the PVT's first line a SGT in your platoon had supposedly inspected the room earlier and had told the platoon sergeant that the room was clean.
What do you do and how do you proceed after taking photos of the situation for evidence?
On a Friday night receive a call from the Plt Sgt telling you to go to the barracks as he has been called by another Plt Sgt in your company stating that one of the soldiers in your platoon has an exceptionally dirty room and his roommate from the other platoon has finally gotten tire of cleaning up after him and called his leadership.
The reason the Plt Sgt has called you in you are the only NCO who lives on post and is the most reliable to answer his/her phone on a Friday night and willing to fix an issue right then and there.
You get to the barracks room to find the SPC from another platoon standing by waiting with his leadership, but the private in your platoon who created the mess has popped smoke and ran off into town as soon as he heard his roommate call his leadership.
The common area of the room is a complete mess with bags of trash from the PVT's room, and there is a horrible smell coming from the PVT's room. you open the PVT's door to his room and find dirty clothes and half empty food containers littering the room.
Take note the PVT's first line a SGT in your platoon had supposedly inspected the room earlier and had told the platoon sergeant that the room was clean.
What do you do and how do you proceed after taking photos of the situation for evidence?
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At the moment do nothing. The PVT is gone. Assure the SPC and his leadership that you will correct the problem as soon as the PVT returns. Instruct the roommate to say nothing to the PVT. Instruct the CQ to call you as soon as the PVT returns and to say nothing to the PVT. Contact the PVT's first line supervisor and instruct him to meet you in the orderly room at 0600 the following morning in fatigues. Since the PVT's supervisor is junior to me, this is a good time to teach him to be a leader. Show him the pictures and get his input on a plan to correct the situation. If the PVT has returned when I meet with his supervisor then after our meeting both of us go to the PVT's room, get him up and put him to work cleaning up the mess. Give him an hour to fix the mess. Inspect the room at the end of that hour. Offer praise where warranted but the room will not be satisfactory so have the private clean the room again and to report to his supervisor when finished. Repeat this process every hour until the room is up to the standards of the unit commander. As the platoon Sgt. you already know what those standards are so there is no need to involve the commander. When the room has passed inspection inform the PVT that the next time he will be brought before the First Sgt. for further disciplinary action.
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I have almost the same kind of issue.....but a little different. My soldier decides that he wants to live a slob life in the barracks and uses the excuse "It's not dirty it's lived in" to which I always reply, if CSM walked in would this pass inspection. He cleans it up and now I do random (7 days a week) room inspections and never fails every time it is dirty. Now I grew up in a time where we could make said soldier take everything out of his/her room and put it outside then clean said room and then move everything back. I have proposed that to my PSG and he tells me that I must speak with JAG/Legal first to make sure I am not violating some rule or law.
Long story short if it is not your Soldier only thing you can do is let his squad leader or PSG know (which appears they already know) and if that doesn't work then move on to 1sg then CO then CSM the BN CO.....you get the picture
Long story short if it is not your Soldier only thing you can do is let his squad leader or PSG know (which appears they already know) and if that doesn't work then move on to 1sg then CO then CSM the BN CO.....you get the picture
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You go to the Captain in charged of the barracks and tell him this shit isn't right. Who the hell is he to be a lackey and not pickup after himself, it would be different if he was injured or rushed to the hospital and there was going to be a GI Inspection but that was not the case so that's pure laziness and bullshit.. He deserves to be writing up.. And if your company commander does not support you then you go to the POST COMMANDER... That's what I'd do...
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Can't read this anymore. Bottom line is. You are a NCO, get your head out your ass. Senior NCO, lead from the front. Square the indivisual away even if it takes patience (and it wil) or even more, jumping in that ass!!!
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I had a similar situation at my last duty station except for the SRA had deployed to the desert and left his TV on with a porno running on the DVD player. He also had delivery boxes stacked up in the center of the room which had rats using them as a home. And finally dirty clothes piled all over. Oh and almost forgot 4 bags of trash in the corner. His piss mate had called our first sergeant and he had myself and 3 A1C's clean up the room which was later condemned by base bio.
In your case I would call the unit first sergeant and email him//her the photos with the information that the PVT decided to go down town instead of attending the mandatory formation.
In your case I would call the unit first sergeant and email him//her the photos with the information that the PVT decided to go down town instead of attending the mandatory formation.
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As far as E5 and above ignoring the cell phone that's a ccommand problem . You can only control your actions continue to do the right thing and be reliable.
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First you are now in a situation where its not your soldier but it is your problem. So the private popped somke. No problem. Does he have a shelter half and is weather compliant with sleeping outside? Why I am asking similar situation happened to me. Corrective action was immediate get the room clean its not right for someone else to suffer . Get some of his squad to GI room. That gives the squad personal interest into this privates housekeeping. Second corrective action because of creating the situation make private sleep in shelter half and his sleeping bag weather permitting. If its not since the squad cleaned his room he can clean the squad members rooms all of them. Germany Standards should be adequate. Then when he'sdone with that strip wax buff squad hallway
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Take pictures, call the Sgt, forward the pics to the Sgt and have the Sgt Coke to the barracks
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Simple... Nowadays, every dirt bag has a cellphone in his or her pocket to call home. You simply take pictures of his mess and forward them to both the PSG and the PVT! Let the PSG do his freakin job and start letting loose on both the PVT's Sqd Ldr, Tm Ldr and PVT!!! In the meantime, gather personnel from the platoon to clean-up the Common Area. This would create some steam through his peers and that is what we all know as Peer Pressure. Back in the day, that meathead would be pitching a tent up on a hill where the everyone who eats at the Dining Facility would see him. I call it the Hill of Shame! Not sure if this is allowed in today's Army on One?
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I had it happen. I called the Chief (E-7) and let him know what was going on. He came in and was pissed! End result.....The dirtbag and E-5 got written up. He not only got to clean his space but ALL the common areas. under the direct supervision of the E-5 for the next 30 days. Then it was inspected by the Senior NCO with the duty.
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