Posted on Jan 8, 2016
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First opening combat mos's is a bad idea. We all know females are structured differently then men. They can't carry as much we some male private be detailed to carry her 100ib pack when she can't. Or have to carry the machine gun to the motor pool when she can't. Will joe snuffy get the same time off when his wife gives birth as she will get. I just don't think this decision was thought out. Don't get me wrong I spent 20 yrs in the service I've seen maybe not all but a lot. How are they going react when they can't shower for two weeks or longer. Will the Officers take pity on them. I know if I was still in I wouldn't.
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Here's how we treat females in EOD: The same.
If they can handle it and keep up, they have a place.
If they can't, then they will be cast aside. The same as a male in this MOS.
I don't care if 100 females try and only 1 makes it through training. That one has a place here.
If they can handle it and keep up, they have a place.
If they can't, then they will be cast aside. The same as a male in this MOS.
I don't care if 100 females try and only 1 makes it through training. That one has a place here.
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Sec Nav, against the counsel of Gen Officers, has ordered this change. Shortly he will be gone, and in his wake it will be the small unit leader that has to make the best of this. But as I've mentioned before I don't see there being a big rush to the recruiting offices by females looking to sign up for a combat arm, anymore than I see active duty females rushing to the career planner requesting a Lat Move.
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not a good idea. infantry is about having the strongest and fittest grunts so they can go out and fight and win wars, And compared to men, more than 90% of women can't compete with men when it comes down to it. strength, speed, stamina, endurance, and overall physical ability especially in infantry are somethings that men excel at over most women. But hey if they want to put them in go ahead and good luck.
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I'm combat arms. I don't care. MPs have done it for awhile. If they are in my platoon however I would want them with my platoon under my watch. I don't need some other platoon or company harassing my Soldiers.
Infantry is a way of life - there are going to be bruised egos and even without females you could say the sharp line is often treaded on.
Infantry is a way of life - there are going to be bruised egos and even without females you could say the sharp line is often treaded on.
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In Iraq, I had five up-armored Hmmwvs containing 20 highly trained/aggressive Army soldiers or Marines (depending on rotation at that time) escorting my Level 6 armored Ford Excursion on my daily missions outside the wire. Those vehicle's carried M2 50Cal, 40mm Grenade launcher, 7.62 M60 machine guns, 5.56 SAW, any and/or all of the above including hand grenades, anti-tank and personal weapons. On one mission, I took note of a solder in the cupola of one Hmmwv....short with blond hair. Speaking to her, I learned she was 100% checked out on that M2, knew it front to rear, had a tiger's heart no fear. Say something sexist to her and she would probably dent the head gear of the speaker of that nonsense. I will not argue that females may not be suited for ALL of the hard physically intensive combat jobs, but I'm here to tell everyone out there that I've served in FULL COMBAT with female soldiers and NEVER found any one of them wanting. Forgot all about the Female National Guard Sergeant that earned a combat Silver Star (and new Combat Action Badge) for her actions at Salman Pak, in Baghdad, Iraq? I walked the ground at Salman Pak many times and can tell anyone from personal experience that was a place you did NOT want to be. Give it up on dissing the whole 'female' thing...they're here to stay and I for one am glad to have them at my back. Deal with problems one at a time and don't paint the entire sisterhood with the same brush.
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CPT (Join to see)
Being a gunner in a turret is not an approach March leading directly to a MOUT fight. Your also not accounting for the morale issues that will inevitably occur when squad members start screwing each other....along with a litany of other issues.
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COL John Hudson
My response to your thoughts; "...Deal with problems one at a time and don't paint the entire sisterhood with the same brush." Be aware as we speak that military leadership is penning in a new requirement that women be included in any new "DRAFT" requirements that may arise from "national emergency to war." Sauce for the goose = sauce for the gander" and it's long overdue. JCH
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The Corps did a 9 month study on mixed gender infantry unit, and discovered what everyone else knew already. High injuries, less accurate fire, less likely to complete mission objectives. Most of the males in the Corps don't pack the gear to be grunts, I fail to see why they should open up combat arms MOS in the name of "fairness" and "equality."
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/09/10/mixed-gender-teams-come-up-short-marines-infantry-experiment/71979146/?from=global&autologin=
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/09/10/mixed-gender-teams-come-up-short-marines-infantry-experiment/71979146/?from=global&autologin=
Mixed-gender teams come up short in Marines' infantry experiment
Editor's note: This story was originally published at 12:01 p.m.
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Cpl (Join to see)
That surprise you at all, Chief? They see exactly what they want to see, regardless of evidence to the contrary.
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If standards where equalized then its a mute point...you make it then you make it
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I don't think it is a good idea. Women are built differently. They have different needs. War is Hell, to be sure. The thought may be a patriotic and noble one, but likely not well a thought out one. I also understand that women wish for equality. If women who volunteer for military service, and choose a combat MOS, they need to be held to the SAME standards as their male counterparts. No sugarcoating ANYTHING. Carry your own gear. Bleed, sweat, and even die like the men do.
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In the politically correct fantasy world we live in today we are told that men and women are interchangeable. Total nonsense. Women have no place in extended infantry combat operations. Not only are they not physically up to it, most are not emotionally up to it, only 1% of women in the military have any desire to serve in the infantry, but most importantly the nature of men and women in close quarters over an extended period will destroy the chemistry and esprit de corps the unit needs for success. Yes women can fight in defensive ground ops when necessary but they do not belong in the infantry anymore than I could be a Victoria's Secret model. Even the SECNAV who just ordered the Marines to put women in the infantry, and to change the name infantrymen, also ordered them not to tell him how it will harm combat effectiveness. He doesn't want to hear it, but he knows it will.
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Capt Michael Halpin
Additionally, this will result in women being draft, just like men, and in a major war with high casualties will become more cannon fodder to fill the ranks, whether they want to be in the infantry or not.
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I'm ok with a female draft, if for nothing more than the malicious side of me chuckling at the moans and groans of horror from the hard left feminists, who would loudly proclaim "That wasn't what we meant!"
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Well, folks, should we lower the bar for physical fitness the same way we did in the 70's when there were two separate PFT's, separate quarters, separate standards for markmanship (women weren't required to qualify) and separate standards for enlistment?
Or should we make becoming a Marine just as tough for women as we make it for men? Every male Marine is a rifleman. Why should women be treated any differently? Otherwise, women should be satisfied knowing that they're performing a task which releases a man for combat. I've met plenty of women who can cut it as riflemen. Let's make damned sure that no Marine's ghost ever complains that his training wasn't tough enough.
Or should we make becoming a Marine just as tough for women as we make it for men? Every male Marine is a rifleman. Why should women be treated any differently? Otherwise, women should be satisfied knowing that they're performing a task which releases a man for combat. I've met plenty of women who can cut it as riflemen. Let's make damned sure that no Marine's ghost ever complains that his training wasn't tough enough.
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