Posted on May 18, 2015
How do you treat Service Members with a Shaving Profile?
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Do you discriminate against Service Members with a Shaving Profile?
Do you approach a Service Member if you think they haven't shaved?
How do you approach them?
I have seen leaders talk about Soldiers, and spread rumors that the Soldier doesn't care because they don't shave, or shave well, when the leaders have not confronted the Soldier about their shaving, when the Soldier had a shaving profile. I have seen Soldiers who are consistently confronted about their shaving despite having a profile. How does your unit handle Soldiers who have a shaving profile?
Army Regulation 670-1 1-8 2(c), states that “males will keep their face clean shaven when in uniform or in civilian clothes on duty. Mustaches are permitted; if worn, males will keep mustaches neatly trimmed, tapered, and tidy. Mustaches will not present a chopped off or bushy appearance, and no portion of the mustache will cover the upper lip line or extend sideways beyond a vertical line drawn upward from the corners of the mouth.
Handlebar mustaches, goatees, and beards are not authorized. If appropriate medical authority prescribes beard growth, the length required for medical treatment must be specified. For example, “The length of the beard will not exceed 1⁄4 inch” (see TB MED 287). Soldiers will keep the growth trimmed to the level specified by appropriate medical authority, but they are not authorized to shape the growth into goatee, or “Fu Manchu” or handlebar mustaches.”
Pictured CPT at the William Beaumont Army Medical Center who has a profile for shaving.
Do you approach a Service Member if you think they haven't shaved?
How do you approach them?
I have seen leaders talk about Soldiers, and spread rumors that the Soldier doesn't care because they don't shave, or shave well, when the leaders have not confronted the Soldier about their shaving, when the Soldier had a shaving profile. I have seen Soldiers who are consistently confronted about their shaving despite having a profile. How does your unit handle Soldiers who have a shaving profile?
Army Regulation 670-1 1-8 2(c), states that “males will keep their face clean shaven when in uniform or in civilian clothes on duty. Mustaches are permitted; if worn, males will keep mustaches neatly trimmed, tapered, and tidy. Mustaches will not present a chopped off or bushy appearance, and no portion of the mustache will cover the upper lip line or extend sideways beyond a vertical line drawn upward from the corners of the mouth.
Handlebar mustaches, goatees, and beards are not authorized. If appropriate medical authority prescribes beard growth, the length required for medical treatment must be specified. For example, “The length of the beard will not exceed 1⁄4 inch” (see TB MED 287). Soldiers will keep the growth trimmed to the level specified by appropriate medical authority, but they are not authorized to shape the growth into goatee, or “Fu Manchu” or handlebar mustaches.”
Pictured CPT at the William Beaumont Army Medical Center who has a profile for shaving.
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Ensure it is neat and trimmed. When appropriate, ask a senior NCO to help show him some techniques to reduce razor burn. Often it's a younger Soldier that doesn't know how to properly shave. Sometimes it is a medical condition or genetics - in this case I'd refer back to my first sentence.
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Whatever happened to the creams and powders that dissolved that hair. I used kiddy Nair on my neck rather than look grubby,
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As a medic I issued many shaving profiles. None I can remember being permeate. What you need to realize is this is a treatable condition. Here is the problem insuring the soldier keeps regular appointments to clear the condition up. After I retired I was reading an article about new treatments the army is using for this condition. It can be severe when they are massive bumps on the face. better to catch it early follow a prescribed treatment
This condition is caused by ingrown hair and can be rather nasty and cause infections. The bumps must heal before a close shave can occur. This condition is more common in certain ethnic groups and a command needs to be mindful of this to avoid charges of racial prejudice. With this in mind this condition can be treated. I do not know the current army's treatment protocol how ever it is my understanding it is effective. Not shaving is a part of the treatment also skin application of ointments and oral medication. So if a soldier has a shaving profile not shaving is only part of the treatment. Using medication and follow ups to the TMC to insure the condition is cleared up and how to maintain healthy skin to insure it will not reoccur is also apart of the treatment. Yet no two cases are alike. When It comes to medical condtions comands usually lack in a full understanding on how they are treated and what is best for the soldier.
This condition is caused by ingrown hair and can be rather nasty and cause infections. The bumps must heal before a close shave can occur. This condition is more common in certain ethnic groups and a command needs to be mindful of this to avoid charges of racial prejudice. With this in mind this condition can be treated. I do not know the current army's treatment protocol how ever it is my understanding it is effective. Not shaving is a part of the treatment also skin application of ointments and oral medication. So if a soldier has a shaving profile not shaving is only part of the treatment. Using medication and follow ups to the TMC to insure the condition is cleared up and how to maintain healthy skin to insure it will not reoccur is also apart of the treatment. Yet no two cases are alike. When It comes to medical condtions comands usually lack in a full understanding on how they are treated and what is best for the soldier.
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I never treated them any differently but it was always like I had to shave twice a day and these guys get razor burn Or bumps it made me regret never getting one
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I had one. Had to go to clinic twice a week to have ingrown hairs extricated.
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Dumbest thing to get a profile for. Not jealous of them. I think it's unprofessional and people only get them because they can. They go and bullshit the PA and complain about one little tiny bump that could just be an ingrown hair and automatically "shaving profile". Too easy to be a man and stuck it up. After a while your skin adapts to it.
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Well that is your opinion. You're entitled to it. However, my opinion has a medical license to back it up. So you can rage against the machine all you want, while I continue to practice medicine based on what is actually indicated.
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You're a freaking PA in the national guard, your about as much Army medicine as an AD 68w lol
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SFC Jonathan Isolep I would know, I spent 7 years on AD as a 91W/68W prior to becoming a PA. We use the same systems, ARs and TBs as the Active Component. In fact, the bulk of Army Medicine resides in the Reserve Components. The AMEDD would collapse overnight without the Reserves. It's interesting that someone who doesn't work in the medical field would believe they have the knowledge to tell someone how they fit into it. I would not tell you how Civil Affairs works because it's not my field. You're entitled to your opinion though, even if it is completely wrong.
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Always stayed in regulation when i was in... even though i had really bad razor burn... Didn't care how much it hurt.
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