Posted on Nov 7, 2016
How many times do you give a National Guard Soldier a chance to pass the APFT, Two and out? On the other hand, do we just care about numbers?
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Based on my experiences in the Reserves, if the soldier is an otherwise good performer, and is making an effort to improve and showing progress each month, then the leadership usually recommends not pushing the paperwork through. But there is a limit...
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I've only seen one soldier pushed out for failing the APFT in my seven years in, that was about a year ago and he hadn't passed an APFT for the 4 years I'd known him. Recently however things have begun to change. I don't know if it's an AR or just my state or brigade, but if a soldier fails a record APFT he gets counseled by the CO and has 180 days before they can make him take another record. He can choose to do one sooner and the CO can make him take a diagnostic whenever he wants, but upon failing the 2nd APFT in a row that soldier is getting pushed out or at the very least reduced. Just the other day we had a SFC perennial PT failer get chartered out. The times they are a changing.
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First, I'm a 20+ year Army vet. I'm just an E5 by choice. I have been on and off the overweight program more times then I can count. I travel with my civilian job Mon thru Fri where I'm a mechanic. I spend most of my time working as many hours as possible to ensure I get home early on Friday. Finding places to eat healthy as well as finding time to work out mixed in with a fitness center at the hotels that have working equipment can be damn near impossible most of the time. I do pass my pt test although I have had my share of tests that were pencil whipped. This is due to my extreme proficiency as a mechanic. In other words I'm usually the best mechanic in every unit I have been in.
That being said. If you have a scrub of a soldier I.E. always late, doesn't do their MOS or even tries to learn it, has an attitude towards those over them, always needs to shave, ect, and ect. Mixed in with failing their PT test.Then f--k it. By all means, put them out.
If you have a soldier/ NCO like myself. You can't tell me that it's more then worth it to keep them around. Shit, my last commander who really liked me wanted to put me out because I am "unhealthy" ( in other words I am fat). Only to be told by a Lt Col and a Full Bird "are you sure you wanna put out your best mechanic". I mean sometimes you need common sense to make your decision.
I'm not in a combat arms MOS and yes I've been deployed where I drove the wrecker on at least 25 different convoy missions where we took fire and I performed recoveries under fire. All while being flagged for being over weight. In a combat arms MOS yes this can and more then likely will pose an issue. So.....Someone should take this soldier under their wing and help them during the month. If the soldier is making progress every month then the paper work can easily be held up or go missing until he/ she is passing. Also, a passing diagnostic PT test can be a passing PT test with an eraser.
This statement is All about retaining a soldier who shows more soldierly traits then just a weight or PT issue.
That being said. If you have a scrub of a soldier I.E. always late, doesn't do their MOS or even tries to learn it, has an attitude towards those over them, always needs to shave, ect, and ect. Mixed in with failing their PT test.Then f--k it. By all means, put them out.
If you have a soldier/ NCO like myself. You can't tell me that it's more then worth it to keep them around. Shit, my last commander who really liked me wanted to put me out because I am "unhealthy" ( in other words I am fat). Only to be told by a Lt Col and a Full Bird "are you sure you wanna put out your best mechanic". I mean sometimes you need common sense to make your decision.
I'm not in a combat arms MOS and yes I've been deployed where I drove the wrecker on at least 25 different convoy missions where we took fire and I performed recoveries under fire. All while being flagged for being over weight. In a combat arms MOS yes this can and more then likely will pose an issue. So.....Someone should take this soldier under their wing and help them during the month. If the soldier is making progress every month then the paper work can easily be held up or go missing until he/ she is passing. Also, a passing diagnostic PT test can be a passing PT test with an eraser.
This statement is All about retaining a soldier who shows more soldierly traits then just a weight or PT issue.
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - I never said I don't teach my soldiers. I lead from the front when we actually get to do our prescribed MOS. Nor did I say that I don't find time to do what is required of me. Like I said in my comments "I pass my PT test". I'm mearly pointing out that as long as the soldier IS progressing/ showing improvements, a good NCO would do what is necessary to keep a good soldier.
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SFC (Verify To See) - I never said I was substandard. There were thine when I wasn't set my best. Everyone goes through some issues now and again. I'm merely stating that with the right direction any soldier can excel. If that means pencil whipping here and then so be it. I'm not saying I'm substandard or even just making the cut. I have continually scored 230 or above my whole military career. But There was a few times where I didn't do nearly as good as needed. But I had NCO's that worked with me. I exceled shortly there after.
Now don't tell me that none of you other NCO's have never had a helpings hand because I'll be the first to call you out.
Now don't tell me that none of you other NCO's have never had a helpings hand because I'll be the first to call you out.
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