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SPC John Lebiecki
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Great topic!

I came in in 2002 as a 31U and was integrated into 25U. The concept didnt seem to change over the time I was in, we were the jacks of all trade and masters of none. I think we ultimately adapted with the times of being Universal.
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I'm still fighting the mindset after ETS while pushing to become a specialist in a few particular fields. But being a generalist has so many advantages.
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SPC John Lebiecki
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It does have its advantages, I agree. But its also nice to become an expert too
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SGT Neal Harlow
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I was a 31U20 from 93 to 2003. I am going bsck in the Army Reserves as long as I pass my physical tomorrow at MEPS. I will most likely go back in as a 25U in the Army Reserves.
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SGT Neal Harlow
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SPC John Lebiecki - Yep you can always pick an area to specialize in.
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When I came in as 31U, be didn't see Bravos at the BN level. So 31Us held it down as our job intells. I was the automations guy as were transitioning into bigger and better computer systems. But just the same I was required to know COMSEC and Retrans (the only true job our MOS has). How slogan was Universal and not Uniform when asked what our MOS was. I was also part of the transition to making users do there part in keeping the COMS up. We didn't have Limas and so we gave classes from doctorine on how to properly run wire and splice wire (DR-8 and WF-16) or as my COMMO CHIEF always told us, "running wire is a basic 10 level (user) task. We will guide and supervise when need be. We will terminate the connections and plug them into the switches. We will troubleshoot the lines if there are issues. But we will not do their job for them and they will try claiming that you're COMMO and it makes it easier." We did the installation kits on Vehicles. We conducted classes on the equipment since we were the subject matter experts. When we rolled over to 25U was during a shift to get more bodies into the Army and poor leadership started the devide of us being knowledgeable on almost all things communication related. We also had a shot of other Signal MOS's coming down to the BN levels and it farther decided our world until you have what you see now a days. Where instead of one SM not being Computer smart or just Universal. You find more saying I'm tactical and that's what the B's, Q's, ect are for. But I think it was more of war and push for promotion mixed in with more mixing of Signal MOS's at the lower echelons that caused the shift in roles rather than the numerical number changing. I came in under the title Signal Support Systems Specialist as a 31U in 98-99.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - I thought 25U didn't reclass in SNCO ranks. I agree, though.
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SSG(P) Signal Information Services Nco
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SGT (Join to see) - Normally you don't or wouldn't unless going into Signal Warrent. But unfortunately when I joined the reserves they had a false E6 slot that I enlisted into only to find it already occupied by two other E6's. So given my health issues and concerns. I had to decide between leaving CA BDE to to Inf BN or reclassing to Charlie and filling the gap that has existed for over 6+ in my CA BDE. So I chose to stay and it benefits me and my unit as I still work in my U compacity and my old ass received a 6 week radio operation refresher and learning session, lol! I think all Uniforms over 8 years in should take the 25C Reserve course (the Gordon version would've to much) to keep it all fresh and get up on the latest.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - I never knew there was one. You should blast that out to all 25 CMF on RP and other social media platforms.
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SSG(P) Signal Information Services Nco
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SGT (Join to see) - The reserves have their own school house for MOSQ dedicated to Signal. The courses are condensed and still teach the same curriculum as Gordon. But it's located at The Army Depot in Sacromento, California (HTRTS-M Signal and Ordnance School (Sacramento)
(ABIC, TC-AMIS, CAISI SSR, CAISI VSAT, 25C, 25B, 25Q, 25S, 25U)
Army School Code: 924).
They Serve, Reserve, Guard, Active and Civilian alike. The "High Tech Regional Training Site" has a great Cadre (Former military and AGR Staff) there and a Facebook page.
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There were a lot of mergers over the years, I started out as a tanker and re-classed into MOS 29F which was Fixed Station COMSEC Repair. at the time there were four MOS being reorganized into two. Tactical COMSEC Voice and Tactical COMSEC Data (31S and 31U) were being merged into 29S Tactical COMSEC Repair while the Fixed Station equivalents were being merged into 29F. Bearing mind that this was during the mid 80's, long before the Army went to 2 level Maintenance, most of the equipment was transistor logic and a Crypto repairman really needed to understand all the different kinds of Gates (and, or, nand, nor). It was actually a lot of fun. Eventually they merged the Fixed Station and Tactical COMSEC Maintenance MOS's together and about 5 years later began merging Radio repair with COMSEC Maintenance (35E) which was eventually turned into the 94E MOS.

In the mid 80's the MOS involved circuit card level repair, in the 90's it was mostly just swapping cards, now I suspect it's just testing equipment to make sure equipment is really bad before sending it to TYAD.
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I've known some 94E's to do legit repair on SINCGARS and other comms equipment, but that was downrange. Everyone was allowed to do more downrange. My S-6 offered me NetAdmin rights had I completed the Net+ training on Skillport.

Thanks for the history lesson. I've always wondered why the Army changed the CMF numbers so often.
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The speed at which technology changed kept accelerating. There was also a change in philosophy that eliminated direct and general Support maintenance. Now instead of having something fixed close to where it's being used... a supply action is conducted and the equipment is evacuated to the Depot which more often than not sends the equipment to the vendor to be repaired. All the money that was once being used to sustain those capabilities in the field is now flowing into the pockets of the equipment manufacturers.
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SSG (Join to see) - Sounds about right to me. Civilian workforce. . .
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SGT Donald Lower
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I was a 32G then a 29F back in the 80s, worked at 578th signal support to EUCOM. We use to get asked to fix all kinds of stuff other that the stuff they showed us at FT Gordon.
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How much have the roles of a 25U changed since the 31U days?
SPC Darren Coffenberry
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Not sure about that but this MOS was designated a 31K(Combat Signaler) when i joined in January of 1989 and then went to 31U(Signal Support Systems Specialist) at my ETS on NGB-22. Now it is designated 25U and a totally different name for MOS Designation. Signal Support Systems Specialist. There was no difference in training for this designation change, at least on my end.
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I was a 31V originally. Came back in a couple of years ago as a 25U and it has changed drastically!
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How?
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Well I am pre-computers and internet. When I was a Victor we still had RT-524's and 246's. Still using OE-254's MSRT's and 1 Gen SINGARS. None of the things 25U's use now.
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Oh and I was a 31V in 1989. ETS'ed in 1997 as a 31U, came back in as a 25U in 2009. AKO was my first shock on how the Army evolved.
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Depends on the unit you are attached to
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SSG John Kangas
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Yes you are a vet
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Indeed
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MSgt Wayne Morris
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Clubs are not needed in CONUS unless really remote locate and tend to do poorly. As far as overseas, yes, they should be separate facilities.
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MSgt Wayne Morris
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Folks I don't how this got posted on this discussion, apologies.
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ILineman for the telephone company? Being in the filed you have to be adaptive. Also using any security clearance you may have as some sensitive military bases require Civilian telephone services. Whiteman AFB in central MO comes to mind.
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