Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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The young Marune should be sent back to COC for retraining. How dare him mouth off and show a lack of respect. But of course it took a Senior Enlisted to take charge. The Junior Officer was right in correcting the boot. Why did no other Marune correct this boot?
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You know what, right or wrong, the response by that lil shit was less than desirable (especially in front his mother). If I talked to another man like that in front of my mother, I would've got slapped in my mouth.
That aside, kudos to the Junior Officer for not decimating the Marine with the cover on his head. I don't see me having the ability to hold back...
That aside, kudos to the Junior Officer for not decimating the Marine with the cover on his head. I don't see me having the ability to hold back...
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The young Marine is wrong...in the Army...the On The Spot correction outlined in AR600-20 Army Command Policy givrs all leaders two things...the authority to make corrections and the responsibility to make corrections...
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Sgt. Major handled it 100% correctly, when you sign on the line, when you stand on those yellow foot prints, when you swear an oath, you give up your right to be an entitled undisciplined crybaby bitch. If you are unable to follow orders, traditions, policy and or procedure then decide to lash out like a menstruating bitch when someone calls you out then stay a nasty civilian. May be obama'a America but it will always be my Marine Corps.
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I can see why it happened. In the corps you get reminded of doing something wrong, and all you check yourself and correct it. There's no disrespect in that. Unless your ego is bigger than you. Semper Fi
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The young marine should be thoroughly disciplined with extra duty, paper and endless push-ups. His reaction is completely unacceptable and a reflection of what is so screwed up about recent generation. His pathetic mothers response also explains his. She needs some extra duty also. CV, CMSgt, recently retired.
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LCpl Donald Hall
CMSgt Vandenberg(SIR) not to disagree,the extra duty and push-ups should have been for the mother,but we could not do that,So i think that Maj Bell hit the nail on head !!
Thanks Maj Bell,Sir
Thanks Maj Bell,Sir
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When I was in you were only allowed to wear your cover indoors while under arms Has that changed?
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Sgt Keefe Porter Sr. I still believe that is the case, but in this case he wasn't under arms, just ended up under the SgtMaj's arm though!
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The sgtmaj should have drug the officer out as well. To do that in the public eye is unacceptable. Both marines should be on extra duty
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LCpl Robert Endicott The SgtMaj grabbed the young Marine by the Collar and the Junior Officer quietly followed them both outside. After that there was a huddle out fron with both of them standing at the position of attention according to my wife - that's as far as she could see thorugh the front entrance - everyone went back to work, but you could hear a "pin" drop after that! The biggest issue was it scared everyone in the MCX because they thought someone was going postal with all the yelling and it happened very quickly (two exchanges between the junior officer, mother yelling, and then the SgtMaj quickly yelling from the back of the store as he was storming forward (leaving his family) behind to remove both of them. When the SgtMaj yelled the store went dormant - dead silence and seriously two of the women behind the jewerly counter actually hit the deck. My wife and her co-worker all watch this incident unflod very quickly and her co-worker was actually crying because she had just experienced a similar incident where the husband stab to death his wife in the parking lot of her last store and died in the store where EMT's were trying to save her life. With all the carp happening in California lately with shootings I can tell you everyone is jumpy right now. It was an unfortunate incident, but it did happen and those types of things will happen! We don't know what was goign on in the life of the young Marine, the Junior Officer, or Mother that woudl cause then to go bandit over a simple request - we will probably never really know al the facts. The discussion was about, how would you or any other servicce member handle this situation if it happened in your AO!
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I don't know the whole story but I think the way it should be handled is to walk up and just talk to the Marine and tell him he needs to uncover in the mcx. We all make mistakes. If he refuses, find out why. Normally I would expect an embarrassed compliance. No big deal.
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