Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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Sorry, but where I come from a MCX/BX/NEX/PX/etc is a PUBLIC space and wearing a cover inside is permissable.
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I don't know if I believe this for an array of reasons. The first reason being (and I swear all the effing time but there are certain situations where I wouldn't) I wouldn't be standing in line with my mom and just shout out "who the f*** are you." Maybe I'm different but I find that unlikely. Maybe I could see some a-hole doing that if he was with his girlfriend or something just to look tough and impress her, but mom? Nah. Second, as has been mentioned, I don't see him doing all that shopping and making it to the checkout line with his cover on. Third, in the ever increasing PC military today I can't see an NCO dragging someone out by their collar in front of civilians. Maybe when just with other marines but I doubt at the MCX. I could be completely wrong but I generally take stories like this with a grain of salt... by that I mean stories that someone heard from this person who maybe heard it from someone else who saw it happen and may have misinterpreted. The 'literal''hit the deck' was a bit hard for me to fathom. The 'Sergeant Major' supposedly shouted, he didn't launch mortar rounds....
My two cents....
My two cents....
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPL Stephen DeMoss It happened and I'll leave it that - I'm getting tired of defending my wife's account of the incident (she called me directly and works in the store for over 2 years - she's pretty intelligent when it comes to military bearing and courtesy (believe it or not!) - at this point believe what you want to believe - I've seen much worse during my (9) enlisted years and put away several soldiers for much more serious incidents and issued many articles 15's for a lot of stupid stuff in my 28 years of commissioned service! Guess what, it happens!
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You seem to be very much on the defensive about this whole story. None of us were there so it is coming in 2nd hand. You have to realize that a lot of this makes no sense. I never knew anybody except total screw ups that would go off like that on an officer as a nublet enlisted. So just cool your jets on trying to convince everyone that this is exactly "how your wife described it". Ease up and discuss the issue you are trying to work on ... people correcting military personnel who are having uniform issues in public.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
PO1 Donald Hammond Yea I did at first, then I got some real good professional answers and others admitting they had exeprience similar situations, so I'm over the BS comments Donald. Just really wanted the question answered above from a leadership standpoint. Do you have any good comments on that?
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PO1 Donald Hammond
Comments about what part of it? When I was in and a senior E-6 if I saw a fellow service member screwing up like that I would deal with it much like as described. That is part of being a leader in the military. When I was on WestPac I would go bar hopping, not to drink, but to make sure my shipmates weren't being stupid. Getting them out of trouble. So in this case I would have taken the jr person out of the situation for his own good and the good of everyone else. If he gave me lip it would be the end of it for him. Shore Patrol would be letting him cool off in the brig.
Considering that from day 1 in boot camp we are taught to take our covers off inside, I'm surprised there weren't a lot of people yelling at the kid to take it off.
Considering that from day 1 in boot camp we are taught to take our covers off inside, I'm surprised there weren't a lot of people yelling at the kid to take it off.
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SGT Stanley Bass
sorry saw it on Facebook and thought there was a story involved not just comments about a general subject
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPT (Join to see) I'm sorry - were you there? It did happen CPT, just like my wife reported to me over the phone - now back to the question at had since you had time to read it - "How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?"
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Even though I got out in 1991, I have a REALLY hard time wrapping my brain around this: Immediately the young Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?"
I am not saying it did not go down as described, but has the Corps really deteriorated to this extent??? I never heard an enlisted Marine curse in front of an Officer, never mind "at" one.
I am not saying it did not go down as described, but has the Corps really deteriorated to this extent??? I never heard an enlisted Marine curse in front of an Officer, never mind "at" one.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Sgt Rick Delmont I hard time wrapping it around in my mind as well when my wife called, no matter what service this should never take place in public, especially not in the PX/BX/NCX/MCX ever!
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SMSgt William Hassiepen
I have to agree, if a boot starts chewing out an officer, moreover the both get into each others faces, I have to wonder where discipline went. Has PC permanently damaged the military? I know when I was on active duty these things just didn't happen.
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Marines whom I respect have bravado that serves them well on the battlefield, but this "shoot first and forget to consider collateral damage" shows a lack of situational awareness, and does not surprise me as a consequence of being wired for contact.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SSG (Join to see) Totally agree, but I've seen other service branch members make some very similar mistakes. Whatever the reason, some service members just have a "Bad Hair" day and make a bad judgment call, but they are corrected and they learn from their mistakes - it's human nature to make mistakes. I've mistakes as an enlisted soldier and as an Officer, they were corrected and I've learned. No one is perfect and every service branch has one or two individuals that make mistakes! No service branch is above having an idividual that has made a mistake like this one and they are corrected, they learn, and they usually don't make it again. It's amazing the number of Marines and individuals that can't believe such an incident could ever happen. Who could believe that any veteran out there could commit a crime once they left the service - reality folks - It does happen!
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BS story all the way, NEVER HAPPENED in MY Corps. No Marine would ever tell the Lt who the f do you think you are. The junior enlisted would never have earned the title US Marine if he did not have the right stuff like dedication to our Corps. The junior enlisted Marine Knows the rank structure and no we remover our covers in doors all the time except when under arms or wearing the duty belt which we all know very well. So the Marine would know he is out of regulations to keep his cover on indoors and any Officer that approaches him will get the proper respect accorded to his or her rank PERIOD.
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MSG (Join to see)
hey cpt i served also 5/10 85-87, well in my time there was a msg pissed in bx toy section, court marshalled and discharged, camp lejeune, another that bit the ear off another sm in my bn, no bs marines are'nt perfect chill the f out
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MSG (Join to see)
wearing the uniform or not once id'ed as officer the sm had not only the duty but the obligation to follow legal orders period, army, navy, usmc, air force and coast guard, and the sm should've appollogized with all due respect and the correction made, situation handled, after reading many of your responses you take it personal, this isnt army vs mc its about conduct, maybe you need to look into it, your comments overboard and almost threatening
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Capt James Kerins
MSG (Join to see) - Very disrespectful to tell a Marine Officer to Chill the F out. I have no doubt you would NEVER have the nerve to speak to me in person like that. You never answered my question what branch of service are you in or served in?
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To start with, I don't believe he was a Marine because any Marine out of boot camp knows and removes his cover when inside unless he's under arms. He also would not have been yelling at an officer like that. The Sgt. Major could have been more discreet but he did what he does too get the situation under control. Also don't believe people hit the deck when he yelled. In other words this whole story is bs.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SSgt Don Feider That seems to be a comon thread among some of the responses on this discussion, but hate to disappoint the Corps, but it did happen and it has happened before, it will happen again. Whether you believe it not, wasn't the question. The question is for any service branch: "How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?" I'd like your suggested approaches to that question?
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MSG (Join to see)
take it outside in private, praise in public chew ass in private and pass it on to sm's leadership
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