Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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Being a marine wife and working for camp Pendleton px area 62, this story seems a little far fetched. In all the years that I lived and worked there never did I see anyone that would be remotely disrespectful while families were present. Yes there were some situations when someone was drinking a little too much and didn't want to leave, but even when you are piss ass drunk and a co confronts you, you sober up real fast. Now for this situation even as a civilian I know better than to wear a hat inside a building only exception is when you are under arms, or you are working around food. It is a respect thing and if this truly did happen then the young marine was way out of line and when he was addressed should have taken it off regardless of who was talking to him. And the mother should have kept her mouth shut!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Kimberly Roberts This was at the new main PX where my wife was a Counter Manager for Estee Lauder and unfortunately this incident did happen as she described it above and I confirmed it with the cashier that worked the fast counter near the door on the Barber Shop side of the MCX there at Camp Pendleton. This is one of many encounters my wife had with Marines over the 3 years she was there - others I won't get into because they were one-one indigents of Marines just being Marines - I totally agree with your last comments. The SgtMaj took the situation outside and provided some devine guidance to both individuals! This is always a right way and wrong way - Mothers need to stay out of it period!
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Young marine mom was right beside the guy. Brass should have pull the cover not the marine.
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Reminds me of a cadence... Mothers of America meek and mild, send to me your sweet young child. No matter what if anyone walks up to you and ask you to do something that's within regs... you should listen. It's really disrespectful for young Marine to become belligerent, that a SgtMaj had to step in...
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Not sure on this , if there was anything it should have been about face let it go and live to fight another day. But the tank took care of it. At the end only one can say for sure.
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SGT Keith Wilson
It comes down to one simple Fact we are trained and told to Uncover when we enter indoors, but every rule has been laxed and a little power is dangerous. We Argue over NFL players who have the right we defend, but we don't get mad when we see people stumping on a The Flag(Military Excused). Pride and Honor are the key words. Was it worth all the embarrassment, not at all the attention gained was destroyed by the Tank Gunny. If we don't get it right on the home turf we will be destroyed on the field of conflict.
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I agree with both wrong. 1 marine for wearing a cover inside, the other marine for incorrectly correcting the other.
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Good on the SGT MAJ! Some DI failed to eat this boy for breakfast weeks ago, and thus should have kept him on a short chain until the boy understood who owns him! Anyway; who in thunder does the mother think SHE is???? Nobody cares what she thinks here!
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First, when the young Marine asked the officer, who the f was he, the junior officer was suppose to give rank and military. Second, you Damn right the SgtMaj did right. Some youngons tend to forget their training and respect.
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Have had the pleasure of interacting, a bit, but mostly reading COL Mikel J. Burroughs other questions and responses. Regardless of whether this happened (such things do happen, daily, everywhere, after all, so why grouse?); the question was about leadership.
The initial servicemember was obviously at fault. It should not matter if it is an E-1 correcting you or an 0-11 (if they ever make another)! The only response is to fix the discrepancy and move along. Making the assumption that the JO was not in uniform, if they were, then this the initial servicemember has bigger issues that his home unit need to sort ASAP - if any SgtMaj or CSM became involved, they would likely know very, very soon, too!
Many others have noted that the JO needs to review how, best, to handle such a situation, since they will arise, whether directly (like this) or indirectly (where their instructions and orders are more slyly challenged).
The SgtMaj did exactly the right thing - he stopped the public escalation of what should have been a two-second encounter.
The initial servicemember was obviously at fault. It should not matter if it is an E-1 correcting you or an 0-11 (if they ever make another)! The only response is to fix the discrepancy and move along. Making the assumption that the JO was not in uniform, if they were, then this the initial servicemember has bigger issues that his home unit need to sort ASAP - if any SgtMaj or CSM became involved, they would likely know very, very soon, too!
Many others have noted that the JO needs to review how, best, to handle such a situation, since they will arise, whether directly (like this) or indirectly (where their instructions and orders are more slyly challenged).
The SgtMaj did exactly the right thing - he stopped the public escalation of what should have been a two-second encounter.
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