Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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Wow, this is the of shit that happens now. One, he should not have had his cover on inside unless he was an on duty MP, (at lease that's the it is in AF) or was required to for duty related reasons. Not shopping. Two, when an Officer gives you an order you follow that order. Period. Three, Sgt Major did exactly the right thing. Forth, mom should stay out of it. Not her business.
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Both were blatantly in the wrong. I commend your junior Marine by asking the sgt. Mjr. First but instead of yelling. He could have politely given the sgt Mjr. A brief lecture on leadership and setting the example. Then it probably wouldn't have escalated to the point of what it did
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I don't think the sergeant major was wrong as a soldier you should know not to mess up so yes I would do the same I graduated old school no stress cards no cell phones
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It is real simple. Ask the Marine or service-memer to take his cover off. If he doesn't take it off or if he is disrespectful and wearing utilities he has his name on his utility jacket. get his name, look up who he belongs to and hammer him.
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Extra duty for sure, possibly a courts-martial for disrespect to a senior commissioned officer. I do believe the Sgt Major acted correctly in demanding that the incident be taken outside. Not sure of USMC regs, but in my service in the USAF, covers were not worn indoors unless "under arms".
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Simple... the young Marine should kept his mouth shut and removed his cover. Not run his mouth in disrespect!
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By taking soldier to his own chain of command. With family involved get the soldiers company , platoon SSG and squad ldr and inform his command of his and his mothers attitude and actions . Been awhile its AR67-0 is that correct? lol.
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Been a long time since I have been in. Spent 2 years at Campen in the 70's. Spent 2 1/2 years in Iraq as a contractor. I was/am amazed at the entitlement attitude of younger soldiers. I think our Senior enlisted more than anyone are aware of how to correct that attitude. If this happened then there is a young man who hopefully learned a valuable lesson early in his career. I saw many get their heads on straight with effective leadership.
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Growing up near camp lejeune that is something that wouldn't surprise me at all. Marine Corps SgtMaj.'s don't mess around and to be causing a problem at the mcx
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