Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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Once In Disneyland in Civilian Clothes, A Drunk Marine stopped Me and My Wife and proclaimed,"Your Hot you should be a Real man A US Marine !" At this time I pulled out my I.D. Sgt USMC, and told the Young Marine "Your Liberty Is secured, Report back to your unit, I want a call from your Officer In Charge, Do You Understand ! .....Yes Sir! .........The next day I got a call. This is Lt so in so I sorry for my Marine action at Disneyland. What Do You Suggest? My replay was "Crew His Ass let him go! " With the following words "If You Ever Do This Again Dishonor the Corps I going to have Your Ass !
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Simply put, the junior officer is wrong because he lost control of the situation. When challenged, as to who the "f" he was, he should have said "I'm the Marine Officer telling you to square yourself away." No shouting. No yelling. No arguing. At that point the Marine has only one proper response, which is "Aye aye sir (and remove his cover.)
Of course, a simpler way to handle this would have been for the officer to introduce himself first. "Good morning (afternoon) Marine. I'm second Lt. Jones...." and then give the direction. In this way there would have been no dispute as to the authority to remove the cover.
Of course, a simpler way to handle this would have been for the officer to introduce himself first. "Good morning (afternoon) Marine. I'm second Lt. Jones...." and then give the direction. In this way there would have been no dispute as to the authority to remove the cover.
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These seems like a pretty cut and dry situation. The fact that the Marine didn't automatically remove his cover (he was obviously in the wrong) is astounding, not to mention "who the **** are you?" is a very dangerous question in an MCX. He got what was coming to him and the SgtMaj did exactly what he should have done. I hope that Marine got smoked real good when SgtMaj got him outside.
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I think the Jr officer could have had a lot more military bearing and asked to speak with the private outside,but as for the mother telling a Sgt Major not to touch her son, well......she needs to understand that her son is a Marine first!!....all else is secondary!!...Semper Fi
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I dont understand why folks think this is strange? Has the Corps changed since i got out in 2003?
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I dont understand why folks think this is strange? Has the Corps changed since i got out in 2003?
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