Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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I was with 2/7 in mid 80's. The young Marine who said who the F*** are you?" Needed his A** handed to him in front of his mother. Not only was he disrespectful by wearing his cover indoors but also to the fellow Marine. All this could have been avoided if he had admitted he screwed up and took his cover off. Marines have been blanket partied for less.
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If someone enters a building, not under arms, he/she should remove the cover or hat [back to that in a second]. If he/she forgets, he/she should be quietly taken aside and reminded of the proper protocol. Now the question of hat versus cover. I am a retired Marine major. I was once married to the daughter of a Marine colonel, later major general. I once referred to the hat as a cover in the presence of the general [my father-in-law], as the good sergeant did below, and was quickly corrected by the general that nowhere in the Marine Corps Uniform Regulations did it refer to hats as "covers." It says "hats." The term "covers" is something we as Marines generally use, but they are really hats.
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Yea i dont think it gets dumber than this. At least the SgtMaj quelled this crap should take that mom to the o course so she learns to stay out of military matters
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Terry Rerich
It is not the Sgt's place to correct civilians! It is the soldier's responsibility to explain to his family that MY OFFICER IS CORRECT. No questions! They belong to the government now and are, therefore, the soldier's MAMA! PERIOD! until their enlistment period is over.
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Don't mess with the Sgt Major.the young marine telling the young officer to f!#k off, wow. Mom needs to know her boy is a marine and he is owned by the Corps and must abide. Mommy can't bail her boy out anymore.
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We know the rules. In basic yes your gonna get a ass chewing or a lot push ups. If it's plain negligence than a reminder may need to implied or a simple pull them to the side and self correct them. A use of tact is always good. Higher up NCOs have a way of giving a good reminder.
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IF REAL: That Marine's going to WISH he'd on'y had extra duty. But putting on one's cover inside in anticipation of exiting laden with too much [fill in the blank] to set down or switch to "the other" hand IOT cover out of doors is a VERY common practice. I've done so myself, in and out of uniform. Another option is to put the cover on the top of the load, and upon exit ask one's companion(s) to place it as necessary. This is not preferred, but might have worked. As it is, the (implied) check-out clerk seems the only one in the incident who did NOT over-react.
IF NOT: Then it's just another "What-if" scenario pinballing around the internet, like every other such. Frankly, it sounds heavily exaggerated, even if based on actual events, and the protestation that "NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!" comes off far too shrilly to be plausible. Rather like improving a "Share This Jesus Poster And Be Blessed" meme with "I DID IT FOR REAL AND IT WAS THE GREATEST THING!!!! I'M A PATSOR WHY WOULD I LIE???" underneath and a facimile of Billy Graham's signature, allegedly, right under the meme-text.
IF NOT: Then it's just another "What-if" scenario pinballing around the internet, like every other such. Frankly, it sounds heavily exaggerated, even if based on actual events, and the protestation that "NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!" comes off far too shrilly to be plausible. Rather like improving a "Share This Jesus Poster And Be Blessed" meme with "I DID IT FOR REAL AND IT WAS THE GREATEST THING!!!! I'M A PATSOR WHY WOULD I LIE???" underneath and a facimile of Billy Graham's signature, allegedly, right under the meme-text.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
MAJ (Join to see) It was th real deal - thanks for the response - PS - I don't make up stories Josh, nor do I fabricate lies - its not part of my integrity! Just thought I'd pass that on for you to think about - thanks
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MAJ (Join to see)
Whom DID this occur to? It seems unvetted. (I didn't think YOU made it up, anyway. Many folk I know personally, whose integrity I'd lay my life on, are however some of the most gullible dear saps I can name. It's nothing against you, sir.)
But if it did happen, see the first part of my reply. I stand by what I said about it as an overreaction on every part. And as a short-fused man myself, I know first-hand how easy over-reaction is in an emotionally charged situation.
Both the Marine and the officer were in the wrong.
But if it did happen, see the first part of my reply. I stand by what I said about it as an overreaction on every part. And as a short-fused man myself, I know first-hand how easy over-reaction is in an emotionally charged situation.
Both the Marine and the officer were in the wrong.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
MAJ (Join to see) - Josh I did agree with your first comment and I agree that all three (3) individuals could have handled this differently. 1st the young Marine should have just removed the cover and apologized for the oversight. The JO could have tried to approach the individual in a more private manner not to embarrass him in from of his mother, which clearly caused him to respond incorrectly, and finally the SgtMaj could have come up very professionally and asked them to take this conversation outside, instead of yelling across the MCX (scaring many civilian patrons). Just my two cents. I've been involved in this very same situation on sevewral different occasions throughout my career and I never had it blow up like this. I actually confirmed the incident with several employees besides my wife who was a Counter Manger working in the MCX. I sopke with her immediate employee who actually hit the floor when the SgtMaj bellowed across the MCX and the cashier who was on duty. I picked my wife up that day about 20 minites after the incident occurred. I thoguht it would be a good leadership post to get input on what not to do in this type of a situation. I didn't imagine that I would get lambasted with all the disbelievers and Marines that stated this could never happen to a Marine. It did and I will take the punishment (in some cases), and the good feedback in other cases. It is what it is! How are you doing on the project for the logo for Sponsor a Vet Life Josh? Any success?
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MAJ (Join to see)
It was actually your own wife who witnessed it? All right then. That does clear up the one question about the OP. Thanks.
As to the logo, I've got a pretty clear idea for what I want to do with it, but I've been pretty busy elsewhere and production has somewhat stalled. As of right now, let's aim for Thanksgiving for a target deadline, unless you need it sooner.
As to the logo, I've got a pretty clear idea for what I want to do with it, but I've been pretty busy elsewhere and production has somewhat stalled. As of right now, let's aim for Thanksgiving for a target deadline, unless you need it sooner.
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SGM was right, but should not have been put in that position. JO and young Marine both dropped their military bearing, and in a family oriented environment. Let's be professional brothers and sisters.
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